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From William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
Subject Re: Proposal: Disclosure of patents by Apache projects
Date Wed, 03 Jun 2015 06:57:07 GMT
Brilliant, that person is on this channel, thanks sir.

An answer, Mr. VP?

(Not sure why you posited that reply, Sam... That officer might be equally
perplexed as to how the ASF should address this, I myself am of several
minds on the best course of action.)
On Jun 3, 2015 1:41 AM, "Sam Ruby" <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:03 AM, William A Rowe Jr <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >...
> >>>
> >>> When an Apache project purposely infringes an actual patent that we
> have
> >>> a FOSS license to, it would be polite to say something like:
> >>
> >>
> >> Pure hypothetical. We don't, so this "solution" is premature. We don't
> >> know the characteristics of any patents in our products, nor we do know
> what
> >> the holders/owners want to do about it.
> >>
> >> There are way too many variables, making this hypothetical Q&A just so
> >> many unwanted bits in the ether. We don't have an actual
> question/situation,
> >> so this speculation of what we would do is ... speculation.
> >
> > Calm down, deep breaths everyone.
> >
> > An incoming project I'm mentoring has - and the custodians and authors
> > and IP holders are conveying - certain applicable patents.
> >
> > Untested patents, yes.  I believe they should be described throughout
> > any ASF vehicles as "patent claims", not purely patents.  Could be
> > broken.  Might never be broken.  All that aside...
> >
> > In any case, patents No. X, Y, Z and Q are being passed on through
> > the AL 2.0 language, and my question is how to reassure anyone who
> > is reviewing the provenance of the code in question that, yes, these
> > specific patents are known of and were conveyed to the licensee?
>
> This is exactly why we have counsel available to VP of Legal Affairs.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
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