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From David Crossley <cross...@apache.org>
Subject Re: FW: [License-discuss] [FTF-Legal] Proposal: Apache Third Party License Policy
Date Thu, 21 May 2015 01:30:59 GMT
See below ...

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 02:51:10PM -0700, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
> Forwarding.... /Larry
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:41 PM
> To: ftf-legal@fsfeurope.org; license-discuss@opensource.org
> Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [FTF-Legal] Proposal: Apache Third Party
> License Policy
> 
> On 20/05/2015 4:40 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
> > Apache Legal JIRA-218 asked:
> >>> >>My question is about whether "Eclipse Public License -v 1.0"
> >>> >>is compatible with our Apache License 2.0.
> >>> >>I couldn't find an answer
> >>> >>on https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html.
> 
> This was at addressed in the now apparently defunct ASF document entitled
> "Drafted (and out of date) Third-Party Licensing Policy" that Cliff Schmidt
> wrote years ago. You can still find the text of the document at [1].
> Unfortunately the version that is linked from the Apache Legal page[2] has
> somehow been mangled. As far as I know, that document was used for quite a
> few years as the main guidance for Apache projects on these topics. I am not
> quite sure why it was deprecated without a replacement.

The old document [1] does have a replacement:
at [3] http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html

The old draft was continually mis-referenced.
In eventual frustration, it was deliberately replaced with
only the source version of the document, i.e. not really
as "mangled", but discontinued yet available for history.

For a long time there is a very clear statement at the old draft [1]:
"This document represented a *proposed* ASF policy that was very
 helpful in guiding the foundation for a number of years.
 Please refer to the official version (resolved.html)[3]
 that was derived from this draft and associated feedback.
"

Mike and Larry, would you please follow-up to correct this at the
other mail lists where this misguidance was propagated (see Cc).

Mark Thomas has separately addressed the EPL.

-David

> The fact that a
> reference to the EPL wasn't migrated to [3] just seems kinda weird.
> 
> In that document, the EPL was included in the list of "Category B: 
> Reciprocal Licenses". As I understand it, the guidance to ASF projects was
> the EPL-licensed binaries could be distributed by Apache projects, but that
> the source should be only available by reference. It is my understanding
> that Apache projects do distribute EPL-licensed modules, such as the Eclipse
> Compiler for Java (ecj).
> 
> One thing that seems sort of weird is that the release notes[4] for Apache
> Tomcat 7 contains a notice(*) regarding the use of ecj under the EPL. But
> the release notes[5] for Tomcat v8.0 does not contain the notice, even
> though the "ecj-4.4.2.jar (Eclipse JDT Java compiler)" is listed as a
> bundled dependency.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> [1]
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site/trunk/archive/legal/3pa
> rty.mdtext
> [2] http://apache.org/legal/
> [3] http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> [4] https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-7.0-doc/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
> [5] https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-8.0-doc/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
> 
> (*) In addition, Tomcat 7.0 uses the Eclipse JDT Java compiler for compiling
> JSP pages.  This means you no longer need to have the complete Java
> Development Kit (JDK) to run Tomcat, but a Java Runtime Environment
> (JRE) is sufficient.  The Eclipse JDT Java compiler is bundled with the
> binary Tomcat distributions.  Tomcat can also be configured to use the
> compiler from the JDK to compile JSPs, or any other Java compiler supported
> by Apache Ant.
> 
> --
> Mike Milinkovich
> mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org
> +1.613.220.3223 (mobile)
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