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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: CCLA executed (Follow-Up)
Date Fri, 02 Jan 2015 04:16:18 GMT

Let me speak to her one on one. I only got involved because she was escalating in every direction.
Remember, as President I have no real authority in this matter but this is not something she
understands since it is unusual and certainly not what her own title of "President/CEO" means.
As a Director I have some authority, but I doubt the 8 other directors (not to mention the
Membership) would take kindly to me meddling in the VP Incubators business without good reason,
so I will have no opinion as a Director either.

My goal is simply to stop the escalation in its tracks while also giving her a chance to explain
precisely what her concern is. At the end of the call I will simply be referring it back to
the right people (most likely IPMC). 

If I have you in the call then it will be a very different conversation to the one I want
to have since you are the one with the authority to take action here (though I hope you would
defer to the mentors and PPMC members). That being said, if you really feel it is necessary
to join I have no objection and will ensure you get an invite, just be aware of my objectives
as stated above.

Finally, I don't think your reply below answers my question. What I'm trying to understand
is *who* did the excluding that Ms. Williams refers to.


-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 7:57 PM
To: private@incubator.apache.org
Cc: legal-discuss@apache.org; Benson Margulies; secretary; private@nifi.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: CCLA executed (Follow-Up)

Dang! Our emails have crossed :-(

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
> Apache addresses only..
> Ms. Williams has asked to speak with me about this matter. I'm setting up the meeting.

I would appreciate being invited. Thanks!

> I don't believe this is a legal issue, if it starts to sound like one then I will defer
to Jim as VP Legal.

Makes two of us. I explicitly asked her whether she was concerned about the status of CCLA/ICLA
-- the answer was an explicit no. That only leaves SGA to be considered. Everything else is
not legal, but a sort of a PR issue.

> Can someone please explain to me why Ms. Williams says:
> " but after I raised questions about how her  contributions would affect our current
contract and contract renewal  she was excluded from further participation in the Apache NiFi
 Incubator Project."
> Specifically, what does she mean "excluded from further participation"?

See how I addressed it in my latest reply to here. Specifically the following
> This individual was identified by Joe as one of the small core members 
> of the Apache NiFi Team. This individual contributed from December 
> 2013-September 2014,

By the way, lets be crystal clear here: during  December 2013-September 2014 there was absolutely
NO such thing as Apache NiFi project. There was a software project developed by/for the companies
listed on the Incubator proposal. We here at ASF fully trust that all the contracts were in
place to give one entity (the one which submitted SGA) sufficient legal rights to that code
base. That legal authority over the entire codebase makes the question of individual contributions
completely moot.

> but after I raised questions about how her contributions would affect 
> our current contract and contract renewal she was excluded from 
> further participation in the Apache NiFi Incubator Project. Due to her 
> exclusion she then became frustrated and resigned. I have attached her resignation to
support this claim.


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