Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BD9F10C0C for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5256 invoked by uid 500); 11 Jul 2014 08:59:19 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 5091 invoked by uid 500); 11 Jul 2014 08:59:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 5069 invoked by uid 99); 11 Jul 2014 08:59:18 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:59:18 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [64.79.170.100] (HELO mc.internetmailserver.net) (64.79.170.100) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:59:15 +0000 Received: from smg01.internetmailserver.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mc.internetmailserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C954622C5 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:58:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender-Id: rvesse@dotnetrdf.org Received: from smg01.internetmailserver.net (smg01.internetmailserver.net [64.79.170.150]) by 0.0.0.0:2501 (trex/4.8.90); Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:58:34 GMT X-MC-Relay: Neutral Received: from sm06.internetmailserver.net (sm06.dotnetplayground.com [192.168.120.26]) by smg01.internetmailserver.net with SMTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:58:27 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-147-134-212.range86-147.btcentralplus.com [86.147.134.212]) by sm06.internetmailserver.net with SMTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:58:07 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.3.140616 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:58:00 +0100 Subject: Re: ASF Terms and Conditions From: Rob Vesse To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: ASF Terms and Conditions References: <7CC7DE5D-777F-43D7-A078-30626234C271@oracle.com> <1FC7940F-B6D0-466E-80E5-41C121C14E2C@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3487917487_24822" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --B_3487917487_24822 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The ICLA is totally unrelated to participation on the mailing lists The majority of ASF mailing lists are publicly archived by the ASF and third party services can crawl that data and do what they want with that public information If you are worried about the privacy implications of emailing a public list then you probably should be using a pseudonym or throwaway email address. This would hold true of any public mailing list on the internet not just those at the ASF Rob From: Pierre Smits Reply-To: Date: Thursday, 10 July 2014 20:47 To: Subject: Re: ASF Terms and Conditions > As it has been said: submission of the iCLA is sollicited... > > Are there numbers available on how many contributors there are without having > submitted the iCLA? And on how many did (and/or still) contribute without it? > > Apart from that, the iCLA doesn't state that postings in mailing lists is > shared with third parties, like markmail.org and > nabble.com . A little test on nabble.com > will reveal that any poster of a message in an ASF > project's mailing list can be mailed (directly) from that platform. > > > > Pierre Smits > > ORRTIZ.COM > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Craig L Russell > wrote: >> Minor correction below... The main point is that personal information is not >> shared outside the foundation and is kept confidential. >> >> On Jul 9, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: >> >>> Hi Pierre, >>> >>> Apache is a public charity foundation. Please read and understand this: >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/faq.html >>> >>> Apache projects generally operate in the open, with open mail lists, open >>> code bases, open discussions. >>> >>> Apache generally takes contributions made willingly and wittingly. In order >>> to contribute to Apache projects, an individual contributor license >>> agreement is solicited: http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt >>> >>> The information on this form is confidential and only accessible to officers >>> of the foundation and not disclosed to third parties. >> >> The information on this form is confidential and only accessible to officers >> and members of the foundation and infrastructure contractors and not >> disclosed to third parties. >> >>> >>> If you have specific questions after reading the above, please let us know. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2014, at 12:36 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >>> >>>> But I also didn't find any statements by the Apache Foundation how it deals >>>> with the personal information provided by its contributors, subcontractors, >>>> etc, nor a policy document how its projects should act. >>>> >>>> As the Apache Foundation is the legal representative, it seems to be that >>>> there should be some documents regarding this. >>>> >>>> Pierre Smits >>>> >>>> ORRTIZ.COM >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Pierre Smits >>>> wrote: >>>>> 20500 postings (as the search produced this morning). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>> >>>>> ORRTIZ.COM >>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Kevan Miller >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> A number of projects have privacy policies posted on their sites. A web >>>>>> search for "apache.org " and privacy should give you >>>>>> a number of hits. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not aware of any foundation-wide statements. >>>>>> >>>>>> --kevan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Pierre Smits >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What are the Terms and Conditions of the ASF with respect of usage of >>>>>>> cookies and how it handles the (private) information provided by the >>>>>>> thousands of contributors in the projects under its governance and >>>>>>> resposibility? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did a search on site pages of the Foundation, but couldn't find >>>>>>> anything thereabout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ORRTIZ.COM >>>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> Craig L Russell >>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation >>> clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Craig L Russell >> >> Architect, Oracle >> >> http://db.apache.org/jdo >> >> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com >> >> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! >> > --B_3487917487_24822 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
The ICLA is totally unrelated= to participation on the mailing lists

The majority= of ASF mailing lists are publicly archived by the ASF and third party servi= ces can crawl that data and do what they want with that public information

If you are worried about the privacy implications of= emailing a public list then you probably should be using a pseudonym or thr= owaway email address.  This would hold true of any public mailing list = on the internet not just those at the ASF

Rob
=


From: Pier= re Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com<= /a>>
Reply-To: <legal-discuss@apache.org>
Date: Thursday, 10 July 2014 20:47
To: <legal-discuss@apache.org>
Subje= ct: Re: ASF Terms and Conditions

As it has been said:= submission of the iCLA is sollicited...

Are there numbe= rs available on how many contributors there are without having submitted the= iCLA? And on how many did (and/or still) contribute without it?

Apart from that, the iCLA doesn't state that postings in mailing lis= ts is shared with third parties, like markmail= .org and nabble.com. A little test on nabble.com will reveal that any poster of a me= ssage in an ASF project's mailing list can be mailed (directly) from that pl= atform.


Pierre Smits

Services & Solutions for Cloud-
<= font>Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and R= etail & Trade


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Craig L Russell <= ;craig.russell@ora= cle.com> wrote:
Minor correction below... The main point is that personal i= nformation is not shared outside the foundation and is kept confidential.
On Jul 9, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Craig L Russell wr= ote:

Hi P= ierre,

Apache is a public charity foundation. Please read= and understand this: http://www.apache.org/foundation/faq.html
<= br>
Apache projects generally operate in the open, with open mail = lists, open code bases, open discussions.

Apache ge= nerally takes contributions made willingly and wittingly. In order to contri= bute to Apache projects, an individual contributor license agreement is soli= cited: htt= p://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt 

The = information on this form is confidential and only accessible to officers of = the foundation and not disclosed to third parties. 

The informa= tion on this form is confidential and only accessible to officers and mem= bers of the foundation and infrastructure contractors and not dis= closed to third parties. 


If you have specific = questions after reading the above, please let us know.

<= div>Regards,

Craig

On Jul 9= , 2014, at 12:36 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:

But I also didn't find any statements by the Apache Foundation = how it deals with the personal information provided by its contributors, sub= contractors, etc, nor a policy document how its projects should act.
As the Apache Foundation is the legal representative, it seems t= o be that there should be some documents regarding this.

Pierre Smits

Services & Solutions for Cloud= -
Based Manufacturing, Professional
= Services and Retail & Trade

<= br>
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Pierre Smits <pie= rre.smits@gmail.com> wrote:
20500 postings (as the search produced this morning). 


<= div>
Pierre Smits

Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Man= ufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Tr= ade


On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Kevan Miller <<= a href=3D"mailto:kevan.miller@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kevan.miller@gmail.co= m> wrote:
A number= of projects have privacy policies posted on their sites. A web search for "= apache.org" and privacy sho= uld give you a number of hits.

I'm not aware of any found= ation-wide statements.

= --kevan


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.= smits@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
What are the Terms and Conditions of the ASF with respect = of usage of cookies and how it handles the (private) information provided by= the thousands of contributors in the projects under its governance and resp= osibility?

I did a search on site pages of the Foun= dation, but couldn't find anything thereabout.

Rega= rds,

Pierre Smits

Services & Solutions for Cloud-<= /font>
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
<= /div>




<= div>
=
Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
<= a href=3D"mailto:clr@apache.org" target=3D"_blank">clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
<= br>





=


<= br>

Craig L Rus= sell

Architect, Oracle

http://db.apache.org/jdo

408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com

P.S. A g= ood JDO? O, Gasp!


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