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From Rob Vesse <rve...@dotnetrdf.org>
Subject Re: ASF Terms and Conditions
Date Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:58:00 GMT
The ICLA is totally unrelated to participation on the mailing lists

The majority of ASF mailing lists are publicly archived by the ASF and third
party services can crawl that data and do what they want with that public
information

If you are worried about the privacy implications of emailing a public list
then you probably should be using a pseudonym or throwaway email address.
This would hold true of any public mailing list on the internet not just
those at the ASF

Rob


From:  Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  <legal-discuss@apache.org>
Date:  Thursday, 10 July 2014 20:47
To:  <legal-discuss@apache.org>
Subject:  Re: ASF Terms and Conditions

> As it has been said: submission of the iCLA is sollicited...
> 
> Are there numbers available on how many contributors there are without having
> submitted the iCLA? And on how many did (and/or still) contribute without it?
> 
> Apart from that, the iCLA doesn't state that postings in mailing lists is
> shared with third parties, like markmail.org <http://markmail.org>  and
> nabble.com <http://nabble.com> . A little test on nabble.com
> <http://nabble.com>  will reveal that any poster of a message in an ASF
> project's mailing list can be mailed (directly) from that platform.
> 
> 
> 
> Pierre Smits
> 
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com <http://www.orrtiz.com/>
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Craig L Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com>
> wrote:
>> Minor correction below... The main point is that personal information is not
>> shared outside the foundation and is kept confidential.
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pierre,
>>> 
>>> Apache is a public charity foundation. Please read and understand this:
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/faq.html
>>> 
>>> Apache projects generally operate in the open, with open mail lists, open
>>> code bases, open discussions.
>>> 
>>> Apache generally takes contributions made willingly and wittingly. In order
>>> to contribute to Apache projects, an individual contributor license
>>> agreement is solicited: http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
>>> 
>>> The information on this form is confidential and only accessible to officers
>>> of the foundation and not disclosed to third parties.
>> 
>> The information on this form is confidential and only accessible to officers
>> and members of the foundation and infrastructure contractors and not
>> disclosed to third parties.
>> 
>>> 
>>> If you have specific questions after reading the above, please let us know.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2014, at 12:36 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>> 
>>>> But I also didn't find any statements by the Apache Foundation how it deals
>>>> with the personal information provided by its contributors, subcontractors,
>>>> etc, nor a policy document how its projects should act.
>>>> 
>>>> As the Apache Foundation is the legal representative, it seems to be that
>>>> there should be some documents regarding this.
>>>> 
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>> 
>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>
>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com <http://www.orrtiz.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 20500 postings (as the search produced this morning).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>> 
>>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>
>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com <http://www.orrtiz.com/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Kevan Miller <kevan.miller@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A number of projects have privacy policies posted on their sites.
A web
>>>>>> search for "apache.org <http://apache.org/> " and privacy should
give you
>>>>>> a number of hits.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not aware of any foundation-wide statements.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --kevan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What are the Terms and Conditions of the ASF with respect of
usage of
>>>>>>> cookies and how it handles the (private) information provided
by the
>>>>>>> thousands of contributors in the projects under its governance
and
>>>>>>> resposibility?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I did a search on site pages of the Foundation, but couldn't
find
>>>>>>> anything thereabout.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>
>>>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com <http://www.orrtiz.com/>
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
>>> clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Craig L Russell
>> 
>> Architect, Oracle
>> 
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 
>> 408 276-5638 <tel:408%20276-5638>  mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> 
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>> 
> 



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