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From Mohammad Noureldin <nour.moham...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Using content from StackOverflow
Date Wed, 14 May 2014 06:11:04 GMT
Hi

   Any feedback would be appreciated. If what I explained doesn't make any
sense please update/correct so others and I can learn please.

Looking forward to your reply
On May 13, 2014 10:20 AM, "Mohammad Noureldin" <nour.mohammad@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi David
>
>    I read both the "official" reference [0] and the ICLA [1] (thanks
> for your directions). Now based on [2] (which is the interpretation of
> the SO folks for "attribution required") and based on what is
> explained in both [0] & [1], I would like to discuss these three
> questions:
>
> 1- Can a committer take content (code, documentation, etc...) from
> sources, like SO for example, and incorporate/commit it into one of
> the ASF projects repositories from which sources are released ?
>
> 2- Can a committer take content (code, documentation, etc...) from
> sources, like SO for example, and incorporate/commit it into one of
> the ASF projects' websites ?
>
> 3- Can a user  (someone with no signed ICLA filed)/committer take
> content (code, documentation, etc...) from sources, like SO for
> example, and incorporate it into one of the ASF projects' mailing
> lists ?
>
> My answers (based on my understanding):
>
> Answer -1&2: No, unless they comply with the "attributions" required
> and explained in [2], which is not compatible with what is explained
> in [0], or they get an OK from the content owners to take and
> republish the content under the Apache License or one of the "Category
> A" licenses [3]
>
> Answer - 3:
>   3.1: For the user case, I would say it does not count as they are
> not expected to be aware about this kind of limitations
>   3.2: For the committer case, it depends as in [2] (quoting):
>
> "So let me clarify what we mean by attribution. If you republish this
> content, we require that you:..."
>
>          what does "republish" mean when it comes to sending this
> content on one of ASF projects'  mailing lists ? If sending such
>          content to a mailing list is considered "republishing" then
> committers MUST take this into account, if not then it is OK just to
>          take this content and "republish" it via that mailing list
>
> I hope I explained what I would like to address from Henri's case into
> a generic one in a better way this time, taking into account the
> right/official sources
>
> Looking forward to your feedback
>
> [0] http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> [1] http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
> [2] http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/attribution-required/
> [3] http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Mohammad Noureldin
> <nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi David
> >
> >    Thanks for your review. I see my mistake indeed, but are you referring
> > only to the reference or the whole explanation in the draft ?
> >
> > Looking forward to your reply
> >
> > On May 13, 2014 6:52 AM, "David Crossley" <crossley@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Mohammad Noureldin wrote:
> >> > Hi
> >> >
> >> >    Here is my draft:
> >> >
> >> > "Qn: Can an Apache project use content from non ASF sources (forums,
> >> > mailing lists, etc...)?"
> >> >
> >> > "Ans: It totally depends on the source from which the content will be
> >> > taken. If the content is taken from sources (forums, mailing lists,
> >> > blogs, online books, general websites, etc...) is under a license that
> >> > is not compliant with the Apache License, in that case you need to get
> >> > clearance about that from the owners of that content, that is make
> >> > sure that they are willing to give you the content under the Apache
> >> > License or one of the "Category A: Authorized Licenses" (the quoted
> >> > text should appear as a link to:
> >> > https://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html).
> >>
> >> That reference is incorrect.
> >> Please see the statement at the top of that page.
> >>
> >> If you know of any place that still refers to that
> >> misleading information, then please add an Issue
> >> so that it can be rectified.
> >>
> >> Please read the proper reference carefully, and in conjunction
> >> with the Individual Contributor License Agreement (ICLA).
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >> > It is highly important to get this clearance recorded as an evidence
> >> > pereferrably via e-mail.
> >> >
> >> > Example:  Can I take content from StackOverflow ? By default the
> >> > answer is No, as the content published on StackOverflow (and
> >> > associated sites) is under the "CC-SA license" with attribution
> >> > required (the quoted text should appear as a link to the license:
> >> > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/), including any code.
> >> > This is a strong copyleft license and as such unlikely to be in
> >> > "Category A: Authorized Licenses". In this case you need the clearance
> >> > as explained above.
> >> > "
> >> >
> >> > Wdyt ?
> >> >
> >> > Notes: The links notes are intended to show as links on ASF website
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Mohammad Noureldin
> >> > <nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > Hi Henri
> >> > >
> >> > >    Will draft one today and send it as a reply here
> >> > >
> >> > > On May 11, 2014 4:21 AM, "Henri Yandell" <henri@yandell.org>
wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Mohammad Noureldin
> >> > >> <nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Hi
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>    From what I read in this discussion I believe what Henri
> >> > >>> suggested is
> >> > >>> a good idea
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I don't think it has anything to do with using SO for users
> support
> >> > >>> or in
> >> > >>> place of users mailing list or not at the end you can look
at it
> >> > >>> from this
> >> > >>> abstract PoV:
> >> > >>> There is some content that has been posted on SO regarding
one of
> >> > >>> the
> >> > >>> Apache projects, this content might have been posted by one
of
> that
> >> > >>> projects
> >> > >>> commiters or others who might be active on SO when it comes
to
> >> > >>> answering
> >> > >>> questions/solving issues related to that project
> >> > >>> What happens if the one of the commiters want to use that
content
> >> > >>> back in
> >> > >>> the project ?
> >> > >>> The answer is provided in Henri's suggestion and it is like
any
> >> > >>> other
> >> > >>> content that the commiters may like to copy paste in their
> project,
> >> > >>> they
> >> > >>> need to make sure of the licensing, or ask if they don't know,
and
> >> > >>> then the
> >> > >>> answer that Henri provided will give some help
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I would actually take this question to its general case and
> pointing
> >> > >>> to
> >> > >>> SO as an example
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Do you have proposed text for a general case?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hen
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Thanks
> >> > - Mohammad Noureldin
> >> > ----
> >> > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> >> > moving"
> >> > - Albert Einstein
> >> >
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>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Noureldin
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
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