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From Davanum Srinivas <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Release Policy
Date Fri, 23 May 2014 21:14:46 GMT
Brian,

This really old email from Roy may help -
http://markmail.org/message/ofxh3lkygcxiigf3

-- dims

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
> Ok, so end user software needs a vote to be a release and all projects are
> doing this without exception. If they are that is bad. Got it.
>
> Earlier:
>
> "But the point already got covered and answered dozens of times imo. The
> answer is that the ALv2 protects the foundation and also the release manager
> already for all bona fides cases. End of story."
>
> Is the above statement incorrect also?
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Mark Thomas <markt@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 23/05/2014 21:04, Joe Bowser wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pescetti@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >> On 23/05/2014 Brian LeRoux wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Furthermore some projects such as OpenOffice mentioned
>> >>> earlier do not follow the policy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> OpenOffice does follow the policy. The only "special" thing OpenOffice
>> >> did
>> >> is to advertise development snapshots towards version 4.1 (these are
>> >> NOT
>> >> releases! we conduct formal votes on ALL releases, including beta
>> >> releases!)
>> >> outside the dev mailing list since we have a dedicated QA mailing lists
>> >> and
>> >> a testers community that does not coincide with our developers. And
>> >> this was
>> >> discussed in advance with both the board and the infrastructure lists.
>> >>
>> >
>> > So, a snapshot is not a release?
>>
>> A snapshot is a release if only if it has been voted on as such by the
>> PMC. It would also have to be tagged as part of the release which to my
>> mind means it isn't really a snapshot. However the label that is
>> attached to the release (RC, beta, stable, snapshot, etc.) is
>> irrelevant. What matters is did the PMC vote on it. It the PMC voted
>> (and assuming the rest of the release policy was followed) and the vote
>> passed, it is a release. If that didn't happen then it isn't a release.
>>
>>
>> > The problem is that there is one rule
>> > for certain projects that have the board's favour and another for
>> > projects that the board chooses to pick on for unknown reasons.
>>
>> Please provide some evidence to back up that assertion. I have been
>> following a reasonable proportion if the discussion around Cordova and
>> releases and, while I have seen plenty of evidence that the Cordova
>> community doesn't like the constraints imposed by the ASF release
>> policy, I have seen no evidence of the board doing anything other than
>> requiring Cordova to follow the same release policy every other ASF
>> project is expected to follow.
>>
>> If you are aware of any other ASF project not following the ASF release
>> policy then please make the board aware. The board does not actively
>> monitor the day to day activities of every project. If there are
>> problems they rely on the VP to make them aware via the quarterly
>> reports and if that route fails they rely on others in and around the
>> project to bring the problem to their attention.
>>
>> > Why isn't a snapshot build a release?
>>
>> Short answer - because the PMC didn't vote. Long answer - see above.
>>
>> In this particular case this was not an OpenOffice release because it
>> was not advertised to the end-user community for that software. It is
>> perfectly within the intent of the current policy to include members of
>> dedicated QA and test lists in the same category as members of the dev
>> list. It is to the credit of the OpenOffice community that they went as
>> far as checking that their understanding of the policy was correct
>> before they did anything.
>>
>> What would not be acceptable would be for OpenOffice to start
>> advertising snapshots to their end-user community unless votes had taken
>> place and those snapshots had been formally released.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
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