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From Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Continuous release review
Date Thu, 29 May 2014 16:02:32 GMT
My understanding of the "test" in "download, build and test" is test the
source bundle against the *legal* requirements. I don't think there is any
legal requirement for us to ship working software... only moral
requirements ;-)


On 29 May 2014 16:48, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:

> (Trying to reel this thread back into productivity)
>
> Apache is supposed to be a meritocracy where issues are discussed on the
> merits.  Short answers of just "No" without justification doesn't help,
> nor does telling someone they are pounding their head in the sand.
>
> Also, can we table the discussion of how we might change these
> requirements, or at least, fork it to a new thread?   I imagine changing
> these requirements will take a long time, and I am more interested in
> understanding what we can do under the current rules.
>
> So Jim, please explain to me, a new member, what are the "merits" of
> requiring that PMC members download, build, and test?  Is it just
> statistical probability that some platform or machine-specific issue might
> get found before release?
>
> What does it mean to "test"?  Can it be a simple smoke test, or testing of
> some simple application against the built sources?
>
> Can these steps be done automatically and just generate a report for
> review or is there some value to having to manually execute these steps?
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
>
> On 5/29/14 8:31 AM, "Emmanuel Lécharny" <elecharny@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Le 29/05/2014 16:04, Jim Jagielski a écrit :
> >> FWIW, my response could be:
> >>
> >>   You can pound your head in the sand, expecting that every release
> >>   does not need to be downladed, compiled, tested by every PMC member
> >>   casting a +1, or simply accept the idea that, yes, an automated and
> >>   potentially buggy CI process is no substitute for a healthy, engaged
> >>   and responsible PMC.
> >>
> >> See how I did that?
> >Sure.
> >
> >But I can check a CI script, when I can't be on every PMC's back to
> >double check that they are doing their homeworks.
> >
> >Anticpiating your answer, yes, I know, *if* I do the chekcs myself, I
> >will be able to know that X Y or Z is not fulfilling his/her duty. And
> >now what ? Should I tell them to either comply, or stop casting a vote ?
> >
> >
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