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From Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Subject Re: Continuous release review
Date Fri, 30 May 2014 13:04:17 GMT
I'm curious, why not having both?

1) A CI tool to ease things
2) To continue to review releases as it's done now

Jacques

Le 30/05/2014 14:22, Jim Jagielski a écrit :
> The Board expects the PMC to do its job, and the
> Board expects the PMC Chair to do his/her job.
>
> If they don't, the board acts; and, as has been said
> many times, the board is not a surgical scalpel; it
> is a hammer.
>
> On May 30, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecharny@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Le 29/05/2014 17:47, Jim Jagielski a écrit :
>>> On May 29, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecharny@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 29/05/2014 15:56, Jim Jagielski a écrit :
>>>>> I disagree. And until the policy is changed, PMCs and
>>>>> RMs are expected and *required* to comply.
>>>> Yes, but actually, most f the PMCs and RMs *aren't* Like it or not.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> And, yes, it's probably a good idea to fix the policy if it can't be
>>>> enforced.
>>>>
>>> To be clear: If it is found out that there are "releases" out
>>> there that really aren't releases, the board will tell the
>>> PMC to:
>>>
>>>   1: Remove those releases immediately.
>>>   2: Re-release those "releases" as real releases
>>>      by complying w/ the release policy (basically,
>>>      taking those "releases" and doing the required
>>>      vetting and voting).
>>>
>>> The board can, and will, also remove a PMCs ability
>>> to "release" stuff if it refuses to comply with the
>>> release policy. So it can be enforced. It is being
>>> enforced. It will be enforced.
>> This is not an enforcement. This is a punishment. And it's totally vain.
>>
>> Unless the board is ready to check all the releases for all the 151
>> projects, and verify that *every* PMC member is eventually going through
>> the whole process, this is just a void statement.
>>
>> Btw, just tell me how you are going to control that ? I'm curious...
>> OTOH, we van make it easier for the PMC members to cast a vote, by
>> verifying the output of a documented/replayable process, which will take
>> a few minutes instead of hours in some cases. How possibly can someone
>> object that it would be a progress ?
>>
>>
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