Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77EEC1043F for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21825 invoked by uid 500); 3 Mar 2014 16:19:58 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 21646 invoked by uid 500); 3 Mar 2014 16:19:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 21639 invoked by uid 99); 3 Mar 2014 16:19:57 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 16:19:57 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: unknown (athena.apache.org: error in processing during lookup of aharui@adobe.com) Received: from [207.46.163.139] (HELO na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) (207.46.163.139) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 16:19:52 +0000 Received: from BLUPR02MB097.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.242.188.11) by BLUPR02MB502.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.141.82.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.883.10; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:19:31 +0000 Received: from BLUPR02MB502.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.141.82.18) by BLUPR02MB097.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.242.188.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.888.9; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:19:29 +0000 Received: from BLUPR02MB502.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.82.18]) by BLUPR02MB502.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.82.18]) with mapi id 15.00.0883.010; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:19:28 +0000 From: Alex Harui To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" , "lrosen@rosenlaw.com" Subject: Re: License Footer Thread-Topic: License Footer Thread-Index: AQHPNoxYvRh8WWUINUKom5JKMs5YFJrPTWWA//+uiYCAAI1FAP//fEYA Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:19:27 +0000 Message-ID: References: <013501cf36fb$28f6d530$7ae47f90$@rosenlaw.com> In-Reply-To: <013501cf36fb$28f6d530$7ae47f90$@rosenlaw.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 x-originating-ip: [192.150.22.5] x-forefront-prvs: 0139052FDB x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019001)(6009001)(428001)(199002)(377454003)(479174003)(189002)(24454002)(51704005)(19580405001)(19580395003)(83322001)(50986001)(85306002)(69226001)(47736001)(66066001)(4396001)(81542001)(49866001)(94946001)(81342001)(92566001)(81816001)(81686001)(76796001)(76786001)(92726001)(94316002)(83506001)(95416001)(54356001)(80976001)(93136001)(221733001)(86362001)(53806001)(36756003)(93516002)(83072002)(74366001)(47446002)(77982001)(87936001)(85852003)(87266001)(63696002)(59766001)(76482001)(51856001)(90146001)(74706001)(47976001)(74876001)(54316002)(79102001)(80022001)(74502001)(56776001)(46102001)(74662001)(31966008)(65816001)(56816005)(95666003)(2656002);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:BLUPR02MB097;H:BLUPR02MB502.namprd02.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:192.150.22.5;FPR:3CF7C214.CFF617C5.3DE99F6C.9BD54971.201ED;PTR:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; received-spf: None (: adobe.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: adobe.com X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 3/3/14 8:10 AM, "Lawrence Rosen" wrote: >Alerx Harui wrote: >> IANAL, but my company's legal team has advised us to put >> legal stuff before content so it makes it harder for someone >> to argue that they didn't see the legal stuff. > >When you work for a company, DO WHAT YOUR COMPANY LAWYER TELLS YOU TO DO! > >As for Apache software, I repeat: There is no legal reason to put the >legal >stuff before content. No reason at all! It neither adds to nor detracts >from >the legal protections afforded to the software. > >In fact, including that "legal stuff" in the source code at the end is >much >better than not including it at all. > >I respond to this email publicly so that any Apache lawyer who disagrees >can >respond publicly and set the record straight. I cannot speak for my company's legal team, but I'm pretty sure they would agree. Their only point was that it could cut down on the cost of arguing about it, so more of a practical, "do what folks expect" and "don't appear sneaky" advice, than a legal requirement. -Alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org