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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 16:59:21 -0500
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Subject: Re: ICLA US Government
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
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On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
<chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> +1 that is very much my understanding as well.
>

If I'm not mistaken, the ICLA (as opposed to the CCLA) is tied to the
individual and would cover contributions made by the committer even if
they change jobs, or for that matter would cover personal (non-work
related) contributions made while employed by the government.  So it
is still a good idea.

-Rob

>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Fontana <rfontana@redhat.com>
> Reply-To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:32 PM
> To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
> Cc: "private@commons.apache.org" <private@commons.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: ICLA US Government
>
>>I'd redraft that section 2. In any case I understand the longstanding ASF
>>policy is 'use our standard CLAs, no special cases'.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>> I got into programming for the tricky logic problems. Look like I should
>>> have been a lawyer. :)
>>>
>>> For another open source project that uses the Apache License and ICLAs,
>>> I joined using a modified ICLA (attached). If we s/CS/Apache/ and
>>> s/Orekit/Commons/ would it be acceptable? I think it clears up the
>>> worldwide issue and explicitly states "public domain with no license".
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Evan
>>>
>>> On Thu 06 Mar 2014 03:46:31 PM EST, Richard Fontana wrote:
>>> >
>>> > But the point is that US government works for which copyright is
>>> > excluded domestically may not have the same exclusion as to copies of
>>> > those same works published in other countries.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > True, but public domain is a concept in all modern copyright systems.
>>> >
>>> > Moral right treatments differ, but I don't think that the Apache
>>> > ICLA addresses that anyway.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
>>> > <mailto:jim@jagunet.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We also need to recall that US Copyright Law is not the
>>> > sole one in existence ;)
>>> >
>>> > On Mar 6, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > You may not be the copyright owner, but you can grant a
>>> > license to public domain works.
>>> > >
>>> > > As can I or anyone else.
>>> > >
>>> > > The fact that the the licensee doesn't need the license is
>>> > irrelevant.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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