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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:10:55 -0500
From: Evan Ward <evan.ward@nrl.navy.mil>
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The helpful lawyers here have informed me that I don't have the
authority to make the agreements spelled out in the original ICLA. I
think signing it would be dishonest, both towards Apache and my
employer. If Apache is unwilling to negotiate or accept a modified ICLA,
then we are out of options.

To be clear, I would be happy to sign the original ICLA if it excluded
the work produced from my official government duties.

As long as Apache still accepts work in the public domain I will
continue to make contributions to [math]. A future thank you to those
who commit my patches.

Cheers,
Evan

On Thu 06 Mar 2014 04:34:47 PM EST, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>
> +1 that is very much my understanding as well.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Fontana <rfontana@redhat.com>
> Reply-To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:32 PM
> To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
> Cc: "private@commons.apache.org" <private@commons.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: ICLA US Government
>
>>
>> I'd redraft that section 2. In any case I understand the longstanding ASF
>> policy is 'use our standard CLAs, no special cases'.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> I got into programming for the tricky logic problems. Look like I should
>>> have been a lawyer. :)
>>>
>>> For another open source project that uses the Apache License and ICLAs,
>>> I joined using a modified ICLA (attached). If we s/CS/Apache/ and
>>> s/Orekit/Commons/ would it be acceptable? I think it clears up the
>>> worldwide issue and explicitly states "public domain with no license".
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Evan
>>>
>>> On Thu 06 Mar 2014 03:46:31 PM EST, Richard Fontana wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But the point is that US government works for which copyright is
>>>> excluded domestically may not have the same exclusion as to copies of
>>>> those same works published in other countries.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True, but public domain is a concept in all modern copyright systems.
>>>>
>>>> Moral right treatments differ, but I don't think that the Apache
>>>> ICLA addresses that anyway.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
>>>> <mailto:jim@jagunet.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We also need to recall that US Copyright Law is not the
>>>> sole one in existence ;)
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You may not be the copyright owner, but you can grant a
>>>>
>>>> license to public domain works.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As can I or anyone else.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that the the licensee doesn't need the license is
>>>>
>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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