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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: ICLA US Government
Date Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:03:16 GMT
Hi Rob, +1 I agree it's a good idea. I was just saying that suggesting
changes to the ICLA/CCLA have, at least in the past, not yielded much.
I'm supportive of the ICLA, just not special changes to it to accommodate
what I think is already accommodated.

Cheers,
Chris



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
Reply-To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:59 PM
To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
Subject: Re: ICLA US Government

>On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
><chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> +1 that is very much my understanding as well.
>>
>
>If I'm not mistaken, the ICLA (as opposed to the CCLA) is tied to the
>individual and would cover contributions made by the committer even if
>they change jobs, or for that matter would cover personal (non-work
>related) contributions made while employed by the government.  So it
>is still a good idea.
>
>-Rob
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Fontana <rfontana@redhat.com>
>> Reply-To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
>> Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:32 PM
>> To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
>> Cc: "private@commons.apache.org" <private@commons.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: ICLA US Government
>>
>>>I'd redraft that section 2. In any case I understand the longstanding
>>>ASF
>>>policy is 'use our standard CLAs, no special cases'.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>> I got into programming for the tricky logic problems. Look like I
>>>>should
>>>> have been a lawyer. :)
>>>>
>>>> For another open source project that uses the Apache License and
>>>>ICLAs,
>>>> I joined using a modified ICLA (attached). If we s/CS/Apache/ and
>>>> s/Orekit/Commons/ would it be acceptable? I think it clears up the
>>>> worldwide issue and explicitly states "public domain with no license".
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Evan
>>>>
>>>> On Thu 06 Mar 2014 03:46:31 PM EST, Richard Fontana wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > But the point is that US government works for which copyright is
>>>> > excluded domestically may not have the same exclusion as to copies
>>>>of
>>>> > those same works published in other countries.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>-
>>>> >
>>>> > True, but public domain is a concept in all modern copyright
>>>>systems.
>>>> >
>>>> > Moral right treatments differ, but I don't think that the Apache
>>>> > ICLA addresses that anyway.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
>>>> > <mailto:jim@jagunet.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > We also need to recall that US Copyright Law is not the
>>>> > sole one in existence ;)
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mar 6, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > You may not be the copyright owner, but you can grant a
>>>> > license to public domain works.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > As can I or anyone else.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > The fact that the the licensee doesn't need the license is
>>>> > irrelevant.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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