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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: ICLA US Government
Date Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:16:10 GMT
Evan,

Doesn't the ICLA put the onus on you to decide what you have the right to
contribute and what you don't have the right to contribute?  Isn't that a
sufficient carve-out?





On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Evan Ward <evan.ward@nrl.navy.mil> wrote:

> The helpful lawyers here have informed me that I don't have the
> authority to make the agreements spelled out in the original ICLA. I
> think signing it would be dishonest, both towards Apache and my
> employer. If Apache is unwilling to negotiate or accept a modified ICLA,
> then we are out of options.
>
> To be clear, I would be happy to sign the original ICLA if it excluded
> the work produced from my official government duties.
>
> As long as Apache still accepts work in the public domain I will
> continue to make contributions to [math]. A future thank you to those
> who commit my patches.
>
> Cheers,
> Evan
>
> On Thu 06 Mar 2014 04:34:47 PM EST, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
> >
> > +1 that is very much my understanding as well.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Fontana <rfontana@redhat.com>
> > Reply-To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
> > Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:32 PM
> > To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
> > Cc: "private@commons.apache.org" <private@commons.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: ICLA US Government
> >
> >>
> >> I'd redraft that section 2. In any case I understand the longstanding
> ASF
> >> policy is 'use our standard CLAs, no special cases'.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> I got into programming for the tricky logic problems. Look like I
> should
> >>> have been a lawyer. :)
> >>>
> >>> For another open source project that uses the Apache License and ICLAs,
> >>> I joined using a modified ICLA (attached). If we s/CS/Apache/ and
> >>> s/Orekit/Commons/ would it be acceptable? I think it clears up the
> >>> worldwide issue and explicitly states "public domain with no license".
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> Evan
> >>>
> >>> On Thu 06 Mar 2014 03:46:31 PM EST, Richard Fontana wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> But the point is that US government works for which copyright is
> >>>> excluded domestically may not have the same exclusion as to copies of
> >>>> those same works published in other countries.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> True, but public domain is a concept in all modern copyright systems.
> >>>>
> >>>> Moral right treatments differ, but I don't think that the Apache
> >>>> ICLA addresses that anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
> >>>> <mailto:jim@jagunet.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We also need to recall that US Copyright Law is not the
> >>>> sole one in existence ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You may not be the copyright owner, but you can grant a
> >>>>
> >>>> license to public domain works.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As can I or anyone else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The fact that the the licensee doesn't need the license is
> >>>>
> >>>> irrelevant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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