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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:41:43 +0000
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Subject: Re: Creating compiler stubs
From: Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com>
To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <legal-discuss@apache.org>
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On 20 February 2014 10:11, Jochen Wiedmann <jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Stephen Connolly <
> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> From a technical point of view, please do NOT do this.
>>
>> The Glassfish team at Sun did this very thing in producing a stub
>> javaee.jar. Because it was a stub you could compile against it. But you
>> could not run tests against it in any way shape or form. Worse still, you
>> couldn't even unit test the bits of your code that did not call through to
>> javaee APIs because the classloading would barf out.
>>
>>
> Hi, Stephen,
>
> I am fully aware of the problems you are mentioning and believe that I can
> handle them (for my limited use cases), perhaps by indeed implementing more
> than a generated stub from time to time.
>
> However, I am specifically asking for legal concerns, because those are
> what I'm unable to deal with.
>
> Btw: Is the software that created the stub javaee.jar available? I'm not
> interested in reinventing the wheel...
>

I think all they did was use an ASM based class rewriter that stripped all
the implementations out. The quick and dirty one they wrote would take
about 15 minutes to write IIRC


>
>
> Jochen
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 2=
0 February 2014 10:11, Jochen Wiedmann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"">On Thu, Feb 20, 2014=
 at 10:36 AM, Stephen Connolly <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:step=
hen.alan.connolly@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">From a technical point of view, pl=
ease do NOT do this.<div>


<br></div><div>The Glassfish team at Sun did this very thing in producing a=
 stub javaee.jar. Because it was a stub you could compile against it. But y=
ou could not run tests against it in any way shape or form. Worse still, yo=
u couldn&#39;t even unit test the bits of your code that did not call throu=
gh to javaee APIs because the classloading would barf out.</div>


<br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>Hi, Stephen,<br><br></div=
><div>I am fully aware of the problems you are mentioning and believe that =
I can handle them (for my limited use cases), perhaps by indeed implementin=
g more than a generated stub from time to time.<br>


<br></div><div>However, I am specifically asking for legal concerns, becaus=
e those are what I&#39;m unable to deal with.<br><br></div><div>Btw: Is the=
 software that created the stub javaee.jar available? I&#39;m not intereste=
d in reinventing the wheel...</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think all they did was=
 use an ASM based class rewriter that stripped all the implementations out.=
 The quick and dirty one they wrote would take about 15 minutes to write II=
RC</div>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888"><br>


<br></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div=
>Jochen<br></div></font></span></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div>

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