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Subject: Re: Apache's Third Party Licensing Policy
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:51:16 +1100
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Hi Larry,

On 30 Oct 2013, at 2:17 am, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> wrote:

> In particular, I made this request which the Board has refused to =
respond to:
> I challenge you to find anywhere on our website the written "policy" =
that Sam invoked to delay a decision about this and other third party =
license issues that I raised in LEGAL-179 /and/ several previous JIRA =
issues. "Policy" DOES NOT MEAN "the VP of Legal Affairs decided". You =
should quit inventing policy as you go along.
> Can anyone else among our members please help us find authority for =
these actions by the VP of Legal Affairs? I've never seen that officer's =
actual role described, certainly not in any way that would provide =
written guidance for the "policy" that he invokes. I'd like to see =
something consistent with our mission statement: "The Foundation =
provides an established framework for intellectual property...."

Earlier in that private thread, two links were provided that outline the =
authority to establish policy:

=
http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2005/board_minutes_2005_0=
6_22.txt
Special Order 6. B. Appoint a Vice President of Legal Affairs

=
http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2007/board_minutes_2007_0=
3_28.txt
Special Order 8. C. Establish the Legal Affairs Committee

The process of recording specific answered questions was discussed by =
the Legal Affairs Committee in March 2008 on this list, and has been in =
operation since that time. The following statement of intent was used:
"As much as humanly possible, everything will be by consensus of the =
Legal Affairs Committee, though possibly via Lazy Consensus. If there =
ever is a time that consensus can't be reached, the decision will fall =
to the Chair who will keep the board informed on any such issues."

I hope this addresses your question.

Regards,
Brett

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after-white-space;"><div>Hi Larry,</div><br><div><div>On 30 Oct 2013, at =
2:17 am, Lawrence Rosen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>&gt; =
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style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">In particular, I made this request which the =
Board has refused to respond to:</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
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sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I challenge you to find anywhere on =
our website the written "policy" that Sam invoked to delay a decision =
about this and other third party license issues that I raised in =
LEGAL-179 /and/ several previous JIRA issues. "Policy" DOES NOT MEAN =
"the VP of Legal Affairs decided". You should quit inventing policy as =
you go along.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Can anyone =
else among our members please help us find authority for these actions =
by the VP of Legal Affairs? I've never seen that officer's actual role =
described, certainly not in any way that would provide written guidance =
for the "policy" that he invokes. I'd like to see something consistent =
with our mission statement: "The Foundation provides an established =
framework for intellectual =
property...."</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Earlier =
in that private thread, two links were provided that outline the =
authority to establish policy:</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2005/board_minute=
s_2005_06_22.txt">http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2005/bo=
ard_minutes_2005_06_22.txt</a></div><div>Special Order 6. B.&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap;">Appoint a Vice President of Legal =
Affairs</span></div><div><span style=3D"white-space: =
pre-wrap;"><br></span></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2007/board_minute=
s_2007_03_28.txt">http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2007/bo=
ard_minutes_2007_03_28.txt</a></div><div>Special Order 8. C.&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap;">Establish the Legal Affairs =
Committee</span></div><div><span style=3D"white-space: =
pre-wrap;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"white-space: =
pre-wrap;">The process of recording specific answered questions was =
discussed by the Legal Affairs Committee in March 2008 on this list, and =
has been in operation since that time. The following statement of intent =
was used:</span></div><div><span style=3D"white-space: =
pre-wrap;">"</span>As much as humanly possible, everything will be by =
consensus of the Legal Affairs Committee, though possibly via&nbsp;Lazy =
Consensus. If there ever is a time that consensus can't be reached, the =
decision will fall to the&nbsp;Chair who will keep the board informed on =
any such issues."</div><div><br></div><div>I hope this addresses your =
question.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Brett</div><div><br>=
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