Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 530F910D3C for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 20:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 39758 invoked by uid 500); 8 Oct 2013 20:47:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 39623 invoked by uid 500); 8 Oct 2013 20:47:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 39321 invoked by uid 99); 8 Oct 2013 20:46:56 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 20:46:56 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of davanum@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.169 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.216.169] (HELO mail-qc0-f169.google.com) (209.85.216.169) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 20:46:52 +0000 Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c9so6537180qcz.28 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:46:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Pl/wa3k37lAObZJNW8ipvwo++0UeIN3lam/qTf3oAkA=; b=0toNKfJ2G6PHWP57VoqPBI8LAtpNP/qjyCrrQ7uVSYE6+ln/O6CyKBaMN4EUO4Wjvy 9UTZuB07yQEdAD3Oi49IIMq0WtV8PHyGGnndxR6YWqJtP82CXhPklGiKxmckOhyE7Ut+ 0tbTaOv26KRO7OB8L5QOs5SyQymztPFjNA4k7jrSnFsWG+51FaXaLa6Pw6J37O54HAOr tsqdf8ocC2/rQmfkgI7Ogphyb+x6CkoDb/6HgOIk2w8OPYU6MiOvd+5RbWyyIwn7Oq4J RjbB066t+3tJDMH23OGcbjmXEwlktK5Z1mKCrhEKSH4juOat6fnmDf5KqP2xBDhaiZlZ JkSw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.244.69 with SMTP id lp5mr5005189qcb.14.1381265191565; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.39.69 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 13:46:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1d6401cec464$2f6f7390$8e4e5ab0$@rosenlaw.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Author of Apache License V2 From: Davanum Srinivas To: legal-discuss@apache.org Cc: "lrosen@rosenlaw.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2c54c15825604e840dd99 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --001a11c2c54c15825604e840dd99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, It's deep within our mail archives. Search for "Apache License 2.0 (Beta 1)" in https://mail-search.apache.org/ and you will see this [1] -- dims [1] https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/board/200110.mbox/%3COF76E3611C.9F574CF1-ON85256AE7.005F08C0@raleigh.ibm.com%3E On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Philip Odence wrote: > For what it's worth somewhere I heard (and I can't remember from whom) > that Brian Behlendorf was the architect of the license. I did a little > googling and turned up nothing that could support that, however. > > > > On 10/8/13 1:23 PM, "Lawrence Rosen" wrote: > > >A bit of additional history that is hearsay but perhaps confirmable.... > > > >I heard several years > >later that the principal legal input during drafting of ALv2, particularly > >for its patent-related provisions, came from IBM attorneys. I also heard > >that there were objections to certain ALv2 provisions from FSF and its > >attorneys at the time that may have resulted in wording changes during the > >drafting process. (Nevertheless ALv2 was deemed /incompatible/ with > >GPLv2, a > >problem which persisted until GPLv3.) FWIW, I wrote at the time that ALv2 > >was "much more robust" and "a dramatic improvement over its predecessor." > > > >People also told me that Roy Fielding was the principle leader of the ALv2 > >drafting effort within ASF. > > > >Drafting that license was not a widespread community effort that involved > >many folks outside of Apache Software Foundation at the time. In 2004, as > >I > >was writing my book about open source licensing, ASF announced that its > >board of directors had approved ALv2. That came as a surprise to me and > >many > >others, but we liked it. OSI approved ALv2 almost immediately, of course. > >:-) > > > >/Larry > > > >Lawrence Rosen > >Rosenlaw & Einschlag, a technology law firm (www.rosenlaw.com) > >3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482 > >Office: 707-485-1242 > >Linkedin profile: http://linkd.in/XXpHyu > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Danese Cooper [mailto:danese@gmail.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:40 PM > >To: legal-discuss@apache.org > >Cc: legal-discuss@apache.org > >Subject: Re: Author of Apache License V2 > > > >I would agree it was probably Roy. > > > >Danese > > > >On Oct 8, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Richard Fontana wrote: > > > >> Wasn't Roy Fielding the principal author? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 11:51:06AM -0700, Ross Gardler wrote: > >>> I've been asked who authored the Apache license V2. I've given the > >>> "it was a community effort with advice from a number of lawyers" but > >>> wondered if there are more details I can give. > >>> > >>> The question came from a lawyer doing some background research. > >>> > >>> Ross > >>> Ross Gardler (@rgardler) > >>> Senior Technology Evangelist > >>> Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. > >>> A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org > >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org > > -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com --001a11c2c54c15825604e840dd99 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

It's deep within our mail archi= ves. Search for=A0"Apache License 2.0 (Beta 1)" in=A0https://mail-search.apache.org/ and you= will see this [1]

-- dims




On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Philip Odence <= ;podence= @blackducksoftware.com> wrote:
For what it's worth somewhere I heard (a= nd I can't remember from whom)
that Brian Behlendorf was the architect of the license. I did a little
googling and turned up nothing that could support that, however.



On 10/8/13 1:23 PM, "Lawrence Rosen" <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> wrote:

>A bit of additional history that is hearsay but perhaps confirmable....=
>
>I heard several years
>later that the principal legal input during drafting of ALv2, particula= rly
>for its patent-related provisions, came from IBM attorneys. I also hear= d
>that there were objections to certain ALv2 provisions from FSF and its<= br> >attorneys at the time that may have resulted in wording changes during = the
>drafting process. (Nevertheless ALv2 was deemed /incompatible/ with
>GPLv2, a
>problem which persisted until GPLv3.) FWIW, I wrote at the time that AL= v2
>was "much more robust" and "a dramatic improvement over = its predecessor."
>
>People also told me that Roy Fielding was the principle leader of the A= Lv2
>drafting effort within ASF.
>
>Drafting that license was not a widespread community effort that involv= ed
>many folks outside of Apache Software Foundation at the time. In 2004, = as
>I
>was writing my book about open source licensing, ASF announced that its=
>board of directors had approved ALv2. That came as a surprise to me and=
>many
>others, but we liked it. OSI approved ALv2 almost immediately, of cours= e.
>:-)
>
>/Larry
>
>Lawrence Rosen
>Rosenlaw & Einschlag, a technology law firm (www.rosenlaw.com)
>3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482
>Office: 707-485-124= 2
>Linkedin profile: = http://linkd.in/XXpHyu
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Danese Cooper [mailto:danese@= gmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:40 PM
>To: legal-discuss@apache.or= g
>Cc: legal-discuss@apache.or= g
>Subject: Re: Author of Apache License V2
>
>I would agree it was probably Roy.
>
>Danese
>
>On Oct 8, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Richard Fontana <rfontana@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Wasn't Roy Fielding the principal author?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 11:51:06AM -0700, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>> I've been asked who authored the Apache license V2. I'= ve given the
>>> "it was a community effort with advice from a number of l= awyers" but
>>> wondered if there are more details I can give.
>>>
>>> The question came from a lawyer doing some background research= .
>>>
>>> Ross
>>> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>>> Senior Technology Evangelist
>>> Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
>>> A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
>>
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