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From "Lawrence Rosen (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-179) Include CC-BY as an Apache-approved third party license
Date Tue, 22 Oct 2013 02:02:42 GMT

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Lawrence Rosen commented on LEGAL-179:

Once again Sam Ruby hasn't a clue what he's talking about -- although he is quick to toss
links to this list as if there is substance or analysis in them. 

I quote directly from the W3C Document License: "No right to create modifications or derivatives
of W3C documents is granted pursuant to this license." Does Apache want to live with this

The entire purpose of CC-BY in W3C is to allow implementation of HTML-6 and other W3C specifications
///including derivative works/// in software -- without explicitly prohibiting forks but while
simultaneously encouraging conformity with W3C web standards (through attribution requirements,
or rather through the right to demand the removal of attribution notices from unapproved forked
derivative works) . 

Analyze that, please, and you will recognize the virtues of CC-BY. It is sort of like the
virtues of Apache's trademark policy, but in a copyright licensing context for web standards.

The W3C Document License doesn't come close to accomplishing any of that, as PSIG and its
attorneys, and W3C staff, and the W3C Director, concluded.


> Include CC-BY as an Apache-approved third party license
> -------------------------------------------------------
>                 Key: LEGAL-179
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-179
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Lawrence Rosen
> W3C Director Tim Berners-Lee has just approved the use of CC-BY as the license for the
HTML Working Group and as an experiment to determine whether to use that license for other
W3C specifications. Since Apache members participate in HTML development and use that W3C
specification in our projects, we should add CC-BY to the Apache list of approved third-party
> /Larry
> ********** Here is what the W3C announcement said:
> "Based on extensive discussions, the Director has decided to pursue the experiment with
CC-BY. The Director's view is that:
>    * Despite concerns from some developers that it is not sufficiently
>      liberal, CC-BY satisfies the key requirement of permitting the
>      creation of derivative works.
>    * A license with no attribution requirement, such as CC0, would
>      not support other important W3C and community aims, as it could
>      contribute to confusion rather than interoperability of the Web
>      platform.

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