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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: Author of Apache License V2
Date Wed, 09 Oct 2013 21:46:32 GMT
Thank you all. That's a great bit of history - very useful.

Ross

Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Senior Technology Evangelist
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation





On 9 October 2013 03:15, Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote:

> On Oct 8, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>
> > On 10/8/13 5:49 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> >> tl;dr;
> >>
> >> basically an effort between Roy and Drew from IBM
> >
> > There certainly was plenty of commentary - it's interesting to see the
> handful of non-Member folks who participated in the discussion, although
> not necessarily the drafting of specific language.  There are a couple of
> startling GPL names to see there!
> >
> > However, readers of this public list should be aware that all URLS with
> /private-arch/*  (like below) are only accessible to Apache Members, so
> most of you probably won't be able to read along at home.  8-)
>
> Right, and that month of the licensing archive happens to be borked
> right now anyway.
>
> The short answer is that we had an internal mailing list and cvs
> repository in which we discussed what we wanted in a 2.0 license,
> for about six months, and then one of our IBM contributors invited
> Drew (the lawyer that helped us with incorporation) to make a pass
> at a version that met our stated goals and would be acceptable for
> an IBM code contribution they were considering at the same time.
> Folks got excited and reeled in other lawyers to review that proposal,
> which was prematurely called a 2.0 beta.
>
> Unfortunately, that happened on a week in which I wasn't able to
> read Apache mail, so there was some outside discussion before
> I reviewed it.  When I did get around to reading it, I proposed
> a different one of my own on 30 Oct 2001, based on clauses derived
> from a bunch of other licenses and more comments from Drew, which
> eventually became the license we use today (after two more years
> of discussion, rephrasing, hacking, internal pushing, and reviews
> by many many lawyers, followed by a public vetting at [1]).
>
> [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/archive-license/
>
> So, yes, I was as close as the license could have to being the author,
> in the IETF sense (having the pen and editing with consistency).
> Drew was careful to note that he was representing IBM in that
> discussion, and we (the ASF licensing committee) balanced that out
> by inviting reviews by lawyers from several other companies, FSF,
> OSI, etc.
>
> ....Roy
>
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