Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CEDE1010D for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19546 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jul 2013 03:05:12 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 19023 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jul 2013 03:05:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 18982 invoked by uid 99); 24 Jul 2013 03:05:09 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:05:09 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: error (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.85.217.169] (HELO mail-lb0-f169.google.com) (209.85.217.169) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:05:01 +0000 Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id d10so75739lbj.0 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Asv5AtnxXk5aCxIuU4fPI72rge2W8gCxrLxiRUJqb90=; b=ivmcRnYof3lgfU1v9XeRpHvAuKqZF4NAvMADBaS4M0agEqamU5pP02GVodkvWlt365 k+6C7Oh/ULvDLdyLQIikZyX1Ecyl5GhHiSQyQZZvI1U7OG98rCMSoQyVVu32tnKzZdnD RNj+45OPkZ9Q7+19Y+GRGm6EcqSuY5Xq4WfSL9NF9wdvsZosju9cEQzqAC5aVtrPP00Q NDnvPTOq1cIU3F3+k7r7XxIKDLVv/X1m+JOy8rhqkbmg61IpXHxKqZ2sUrt09sWf9Iuj C076CaE/jo7nYqYnprREdmMK77K5kkMdLb/3I2PWvTXPwWyqM9WFNAveFZ+19jZBiNxf f8wA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.55.207 with SMTP id u15mr15425224lbp.58.1374635060800; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.92.112 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [206.190.64.2] In-Reply-To: References: <51EEE452.40907@apache.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:04:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Comcast questions re: CCLA From: Marvin Humphrey To: legal-discuss@apache.org Cc: "Doogan, Melissa" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl8hTsFVDUgeqfjlzIsiI0rvrv1VnyYrEL+1GRwjkM2BwJwb5Tkdc3WORDEk9C3G4YQGRfU X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > Another way to phrase it is that the ICLA effectively gives the > Foundation what we need. The CCLA is more about a company stating the > employee has the right to contribute, but *we* don't really need a > CCLA. The ICLA already asserts the employee has the right (through > whatever employer/employee relationship or contract). The CCLA is more > about corporations clarifying/formalizing that relationship for > themselves and their employees. Or put another way... The boilerplate intellectual property agreements that software developers must typically sign as terms of their employment are so draconian that it's often impossible to participate in open source without violating them. By avoiding the CCLA and ensuring that the employee is perpetually in breach of their contract, the employer preserves maximum leverage over their employee in the event of a dispute. IANAL, etc. Marvin Humphrey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org