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Subject: Re: [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-172) Require a copyright notice in
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From: Daniel Kulp <dkulp@apache.org>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:11:34 -0400
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On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> =
wrote:

> Sam Ruby asked:
>> What leads you to believe that our policy require projects to remove =
copyright notices?
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> See http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#notice.=20
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> This policy states that: "The NOTICE file may also include copyright =
notices moved from source files submitted to the ASF."  Perhaps I should =
have said "moved" rather than "removed", although I would ask projects =
themselves to tell us what they do with the notices and headers they =
find in contributions? Are our projects consistent in "retaining" (as =
distinguished from "removing or moving and destroying the context of") =
the notices they find in contributions?
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> It has been my impression that some projects go to great length to =
scrub contributions so that all previous copyright notices are removed. =
If they do this with *other Apache License 2.0 contributions* then they =
are not honoring section 4(c) of our own license!  If I am wrong about =
this, I humbly apologize.

In general, we ask the original contributors to move the Copyright =
notice from each file into the NOTICE.   Generally, if you ask nicely =
and explain the reasoning, they are more than happy to oblige.=20

Dan


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> /Larry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ruby [mailto:rubys@intertwingly.net]=20
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:19 AM
> To: legal-discuss@apache.org; lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> Subject: Re: [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-172) Require a copyright notice =
in source headers
>=20
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> =
wrote:
>> Sam Ruby wrote on 7/14:
>>> If Dennis wishes to redistribute the results, we would ask that he=20=

>>> comply with section 4c of our license.
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>> Here is section 4(c) of our Apache License 2.0:
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>>     "You must retain, in the Source form of any Derivative Works that =
You distribute,
>>     all copyright, patent, trademark, and attribution notices from =
the Source form of the
>>     Work, excluding those notices that do not pertain to any part of =
the Derivative Works;"
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>> Perhaps Sam or someone else familiar with Apache history can explain =
why our license demands of our licensees that they retain our notices, =
but our policy requires projects to remove the copyright notices of our =
contributors.
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> What leads you to believe that our policy require projects to remove =
copyright notices?
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> - Sam Ruby
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