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From Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-172) Require a copyright notice in source headers
Date Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:11:34 GMT

On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> wrote:

> Sam Ruby asked:
>> What leads you to believe that our policy require projects to remove copyright notices?
> 
> See http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#notice. 
> 
> This policy states that: "The NOTICE file may also include copyright notices moved from
source files submitted to the ASF."  Perhaps I should have said "moved" rather than "removed",
although I would ask projects themselves to tell us what they do with the notices and headers
they find in contributions? Are our projects consistent in "retaining" (as distinguished from
"removing or moving and destroying the context of") the notices they find in contributions?
> 
> It has been my impression that some projects go to great length to scrub contributions
so that all previous copyright notices are removed. If they do this with *other Apache License
2.0 contributions* then they are not honoring section 4(c) of our own license!  If I am wrong
about this, I humbly apologize.

In general, we ask the original contributors to move the Copyright notice from each file into
the NOTICE.   Generally, if you ask nicely and explain the reasoning, they are more than happy
to oblige. 

Dan


> 
> /Larry
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ruby [mailto:rubys@intertwingly.net] 
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:19 AM
> To: legal-discuss@apache.org; lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> Subject: Re: [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-172) Require a copyright notice in source headers
> 
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> wrote:
>> Sam Ruby wrote on 7/14:
>>> If Dennis wishes to redistribute the results, we would ask that he 
>>> comply with section 4c of our license.
>> 
>> Here is section 4(c) of our Apache License 2.0:
>> 
>>     "You must retain, in the Source form of any Derivative Works that You distribute,
>>     all copyright, patent, trademark, and attribution notices from the Source form
of the
>>     Work, excluding those notices that do not pertain to any part of the Derivative
Works;"
>> 
>> Perhaps Sam or someone else familiar with Apache history can explain why our license
demands of our licensees that they retain our notices, but our policy requires projects to
remove the copyright notices of our contributors.
> 
> What leads you to believe that our policy require projects to remove copyright notices?
> 
> - Sam Ruby
> 
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Daniel Kulp
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