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From Craig L Russell <craig.russ...@oracle.com>
Subject Re: [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-114) License Header - Short Form?
Date Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:19:46 GMT

On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Lawrence Rosen (JIRA) wrote:

> 
>    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-114?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13704751#comment-13704751
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> 
> Lawrence Rosen commented on LEGAL-114:
> --------------------------------------
> 
> Craig Russell wrote:
>> I think everyone agrees that Apache holds a copyright on the compilation (collective
work) of each of its projects. 
> 
> Wheeeeee!  One convert at a time!!  That justifies an Apache copyright notice on every
Apache web page or downloaded package published by every Apache project. A "short form license
header" (or long form?) is appropriate for such files. 
> 
>> And Apache does not hold a copyright on individual files.
> 
> I'd say even more than that as a way to reassure everyone that I'm not trying to assert
Apache's copyright on test data; empty files; exact copies of files hosted elsewhere; etc.
I do not, quite frankly, understand why any Apache header at all is needed in such files.
This JIRA LEGAL-114 does not apply to such files because Apache is NOT asserting any licensing
control whatsoever over such files. It would be unnecessary even to say "Licensed under the
Apache License 2.0" on such files. Therefore, no Apache header at all.
> 
> (Google doesn't put a copyright notice on their search pages. Nor on the independently
written pages that they link to.)
> 
> But for any file distributed (published!) by ASF for which the project itself believes
it is necessary to include a "Short Form" license header, that header should identify Apache
License 2.0 *and* include our copyright notice.

You have lost me here. Apache holds a copyright on the compilation. By what leap do you then
assert a copyright on individual files?

Craig
> 
> /Larry
> 
>> License Header - Short Form?
>> ----------------------------
>> 
>>                Key: LEGAL-114
>>                URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-114
>>            Project: Legal Discuss
>>         Issue Type: Question
>>           Reporter: Roger Meier
>> 
>> Hi all
>> Today the license headers within files does need ~ 15 lines within a file.
>> This needs lot of space at the top of a file, probably too much if you have a small
README file. 
>> e.g. http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/thrift/trunk/tutorial/README?view=markup
>> Is it possible to use a smaller header reflecting the license terms within a source
or README file?
>> Can we use something like that one or a shorter one?
>> {noformat}
>> /*
>> * Copyright (c) The Apache Software Foundation
>> * Licensed to the ASF under one or more contributor license agreements
>> * (see NOTICE file distributed with this work). ASF licenses this file to you
>> * under the following license http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
>> * Software distributed is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES
>> * OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
>> */
>> {noformat}
>> Should we mention also the License identifier (Apache-2.0) used within spdx standard?
>> see http://spdx.org/licenses/
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
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Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
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