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From "Lawrence Rosen (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-167) Move CC-BY to Category B
Date Mon, 10 Jun 2013 01:06:20 GMT

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Lawrence Rosen commented on LEGAL-167:
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Thanks Luis. Nice summary.

You cited particularly the "technological measures" (anti-DRM) provision in CC-BY making things
potentially difficult for Apache and proprietary app stores. Sam calls it a restriction that
"goes beyond" the Apache License, but in fact reverse engineering to access licensed open
source components is now allowed under the copyright laws of most countries anyway regardless
of what app stores say. And since (I assume) almost everyone in ASF opposes DRM lockout of
open source software, why would Apache exclude a license from Category A on that basis?

Certain unnamed app store vendors might not like CC-BY for that reason, but I do. Is Category
A ours to select based on our own licensing philosophy or do we ask companies to vote?

/Larry
                
> Move CC-BY to Category B
> ------------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-167
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-167
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Sam Ruby
>            Assignee: Sam Ruby
>
> Summary:
> Careful reading recent versions of the CC-By licenses identify restrictions that are
not highlighted on the creativecommons summary page for this license.  These restrictions
go beyond what is required by the Apache License, Version 2.0, and furthermore has been deemed
incompatible with GPL.  We also have input that this is problematic for proprietary (non-open
source) usages.
> In the ensuing discussion, we have had questions concerning the necessity for certain
terms in our license, questions concerning the viability of the existing categorization of
licenses (A, B, X), questions concerning the validity of legal interpretations of our licensees.
> All these are valid questions, and can be pursued separately.  Meanwhile we need something
until at least one of those efforts are resolved.  My proposal remains that CC-BY licenses
be moved to Category B as a stop-gap solution.  Such a change would not prevent existing projects
from continuing to include such unmodified artifacts in their releases, it merely would require
them to conspicuously state that they did so to allow downsteam consumers to make an informed
decision.  Nor would it completely prevent modifications of such content, instead it would
require separate approval to do so.
> Partial list of relevant prior discussion (feel free to point to more in additional comments):
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8FJmnE21QcS_eP5SnvbLMgp4eKYvT13qEXALJafdoFO_A%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3C01f301ce5829%24aed32660%240c797320%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8HB%2Bj2H1J_WMH1D%3DfQf%2BuG5QE0brv7Fi1%2B1XozKEf%3Dn8Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3COFCAE2B77A.4DC34960-ON85257B75.006149FE-85257B75.0061C5FF%40us.ibm.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8FDjKbuzr3Mcns1Xwneydc-fGp6C7ZJ_nY9vvJ4p8LANA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3C063201ce5bdc%2401a730b0%2404f59210%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201306.mbox/%3C152301ce6267%24ff57f0f0%24fe07d2d0%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8Gvzy%3DN-ezZY%3DOW5XxEp%2B4W%3D%2B7E%2B9fpZWcsxQU%2BjQjXog%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3C06ca01ce5c08%24f8627960%24e9276c20%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3COF7C4060BB.133DE47E-ON85257B7A.0009A3AC-85257B7A.000C0686%40us.ibm.com%3E

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