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From "Lawrence Rosen (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-167) Move CC-BY to Category B
Date Fri, 07 Jun 2013 23:42:20 GMT

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Lawrence Rosen commented on LEGAL-167:
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Sam Ruby wrote:
> These restrictions go beyond what is required by the Apache License, Version 2.0, 
> and furthermore has been deemed incompatible with GPL.  
> We also have input that this is problematic for proprietary (non-open source) usages.

None of these statements is demonstrably true!  

Who has "deemed" this? Who has found incompatible restrictions in the CC-BY license where
there are none? Who besides a single IBM attorney has identified anything problematic for
proprietary usages? That would constitute *a usage* not *usages*, one opinion and not "input"
of any wide-ranging conclusory value.

> My proposal remains that CC-BY licenses be moved to Category B as a stop-gap solution.
 

Your proposal doesn't solve the actual problem I keep trying to bring to this list, which
is to solicit input from the Apache community about whether software specifications (such
as W3C's HTML 6) under CC-BY can be the basis for Apache derivative works. Quite frankly I
no longer give a damn whether you call it Category A or Category B as long as you analyze
the legal questions on this list. Both categories are currently a mess.

/Larry

                
> Move CC-BY to Category B
> ------------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-167
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-167
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Sam Ruby
>            Assignee: Sam Ruby
>
> Summary:
> Careful reading recent versions of the CC-By licenses identify restrictions that are
not highlighted on the creativecommons summary page for this license.  These restrictions
go beyond what is required by the Apache License, Version 2.0, and furthermore has been deemed
incompatible with GPL.  We also have input that this is problematic for proprietary (non-open
source) usages.
> In the ensuing discussion, we have had questions concerning the necessity for certain
terms in our license, questions concerning the viability of the existing categorization of
licenses (A, B, X), questions concerning the validity of legal interpretations of our licensees.
> All these are valid questions, and can be pursued separately.  Meanwhile we need something
until at least one of those efforts are resolved.  My proposal remains that CC-BY licenses
be moved to Category B as a stop-gap solution.  Such a change would not prevent existing projects
from continuing to include such unmodified artifacts in their releases, it merely would require
them to conspicuously state that they did so to allow downsteam consumers to make an informed
decision.  Nor would it completely prevent modifications of such content, instead it would
require separate approval to do so.
> Partial list of relevant prior discussion (feel free to point to more in additional comments):
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8FJmnE21QcS_eP5SnvbLMgp4eKYvT13qEXALJafdoFO_A%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3C01f301ce5829%24aed32660%240c797320%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8HB%2Bj2H1J_WMH1D%3DfQf%2BuG5QE0brv7Fi1%2B1XozKEf%3Dn8Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3COFCAE2B77A.4DC34960-ON85257B75.006149FE-85257B75.0061C5FF%40us.ibm.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8FDjKbuzr3Mcns1Xwneydc-fGp6C7ZJ_nY9vvJ4p8LANA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3C063201ce5bdc%2401a730b0%2404f59210%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201306.mbox/%3C152301ce6267%24ff57f0f0%24fe07d2d0%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8Gvzy%3DN-ezZY%3DOW5XxEp%2B4W%3D%2B7E%2B9fpZWcsxQU%2BjQjXog%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3C06ca01ce5c08%24f8627960%24e9276c20%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3COF7C4060BB.133DE47E-ON85257B7A.0009A3AC-85257B7A.000C0686%40us.ibm.com%3E

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