Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23726FFBC for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12044 invoked by uid 500); 29 Mar 2013 14:45:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 11382 invoked by uid 500); 29 Mar 2013 14:45:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 11336 invoked by uid 99); 29 Mar 2013 14:45:34 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:45:34 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of Timothy.Miller@childrens.harvard.edu designates 134.174.20.73 as permitted sender) Received: from [134.174.20.73] (HELO mailsmtp3.childrenshospital.org) (134.174.20.73) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:45:28 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (mailsmtp3.childrenshospital.org [127.0.0.1]) by mailsmtp3.childrenshospital.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2TEcbQJ023291 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:45:06 -0400 Received: from smtpndc1.chboston.org (smtpndc1.chboston.org [10.20.50.104]) by mailsmtp3.childrenshospital.org with ESMTP id 1bd6pg97qc-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:45:06 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (smtpndc1.chboston.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtpndc1.chboston.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2TEinWY027936 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:45:06 -0400 Received: from chexhubcas2.chboston.org (internal-ndc-nat-v1260.tch.harvard.edu [10.20.50.4]) by smtpndc1.chboston.org with ESMTP id 1b42w6vmmv-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:45:06 -0400 Received: from [10.7.2.218] (10.7.2.218) by email.tch.harvard.edu (10.20.50.93) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:45:05 -0400 Message-ID: <5155A8EB.1040504@childrens.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:44:59 -0400 From: Tim Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Fwd: RE: svmlight license question References: In-Reply-To: X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030608050603000706040006" X-Originating-IP: [10.7.2.218] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-29_06:2013-03-29,2013-03-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-29_06:2013-03-29,2013-03-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --------------030608050603000706040006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Kevan and Marshall, I emailed the author of svmlight and he was very clear that our usage is acceptable. I think we will consider this matter closed, thank you for your advice. Tim Miller -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: svmlight license question Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:42:32 -0400 From: Thorsten Joachims To: Tim Miller , "thorsten@joachims.org" CC: Thorsten Joachims Hi Tim, Using the models trained with my software in the way you describe is fine with me for the application you describe. Feel free to include the trained models in the distribution under any license you like... Cheers Thorsten --- Thorsten Joachims Professor Department of Computer Science Cornell University http://www.joachims.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Tim Miller [mailto:timothy.miller@childrens.harvard.edu] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:32 AM To: thorsten@joachims.org Subject: svmlight license question Hello Professor Joachims, We are using svmlight and Alessandro Moschitti's svmlight-tk for some problems in clinical natural language processing. We are using it for research purposes per the license. We would like to also contribute our best models to Apache cTAKES, an open source clinical text processing framework. cTAKES does not use svmlight or svmlight-tk binaries or libraries, but libraries in clearTK which read svmlight models and implement various kernels. Since svmlight uses a unique license we are not sure where that leaves us, and the apache legal mailing list suggested we email the svmlight authors to see if there is an opinion on this. As far as I can tell, the concern is this part: This program is granted free of charge for research and education purposes. However you must obtain a license from the author to use it for commercial purposes. We are using it for research ourselves, but since cTAKES is free and open source it is possible that it may be used by commercial purposes by a third party down the road. There is also a possible gray area with non-profit entities like hospitals which do not fall strictly into research, education, or commercial. Sorry for the length, but please let me know what your intention is with the license or if you have any questions about our usage. Thanks, -- Tim Miller, PhD Postdoctoral Research Fellow Children's Hospital Informatics Program Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard Medical School 617-919-1223 --------------030608050603000706040006 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Kevan and Marshall,
I emailed the author of svmlight and he was very clear that our usage is acceptable. I think we will consider this matter closed, thank you for your advice.
Tim Miller

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: svmlight license question
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:42:32 -0400
From: Thorsten Joachims <tj@cs.cornell.edu>
To: Tim Miller <timothy.miller@childrens.harvard.edu>, "thorsten@joachims.org" <thorsten@joachims.org>
CC: Thorsten Joachims <tj@cs.cornell.edu> 


Hi Tim,

Using the models trained with my software in the way you describe is fine with me for the application you describe. Feel free to include the trained models in the distribution under any license you like...

Cheers
Thorsten
---
Thorsten Joachims
Professor
Department of Computer Science
Cornell University
http://www.joachims.org/

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Miller [mailto:timothy.miller@childrens.harvard.edu] 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:32 AM
To: thorsten@joachims.org
Subject: svmlight license question

Hello Professor Joachims,
We are using svmlight and Alessandro Moschitti's svmlight-tk for some 
problems in clinical natural language processing. We are using it for 
research purposes per the license.  We would like to also contribute our 
best models to Apache cTAKES, an open source clinical text processing 
framework. cTAKES does not use svmlight or svmlight-tk binaries or 
libraries, but libraries in clearTK which read svmlight models and 
implement various kernels. Since svmlight uses a unique license we are 
not sure where that leaves us, and the apache legal mailing list 
suggested we email the svmlight authors to see if there is an opinion on 
this.

As far as I can tell, the concern is this part:

This program is granted free of charge for research and education
purposes. However you must obtain a license from the author to use it
for commercial purposes.

We are using it for research ourselves, but since cTAKES is free and 
open source it is possible that it may be used by commercial purposes by 
a third party down the road. There is also a possible gray area with 
non-profit entities like hospitals which do not fall strictly into 
research, education, or commercial.

Sorry for the length, but please let me know what your intention is with 
the license or if you have any questions about our usage.
Thanks,

-- 
Tim Miller, PhD
Postdoctoral Research Fellow
Children's Hospital Informatics Program
Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard Medical School
617-919-1223


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