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From "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <seba.wag...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Commit messages from GPL project on ASF list
Date Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:13:25 GMT
The OpenMeetings PMC agrees on  disabling those notifications.
Anybody interested in those emails can subscribe to it on its own.

Sebastian
Am 22.03.2013 05:34 schrieb "Luciano Resende" <luckbr1975@gmail.com>:

> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:00 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There is a flag in the mail notification to turn of diff's in those
> emails.
> > So theoretically those emails don't have to include not even code
> fragments
> > of GPL licensed code.
> > So those emails could become what they initially should have been: Some
> > simple notification of activity.
> >
> > We are actually also not interested in what exactly has changed or
> archiving
> > external activities.
> > If anybody is interested in those projects he can catch up with those
> > involved there.
> >
> > All we are interested is a "heads up" there is something going on as we
> > provide integration APIs that 3th parties are using.
> >
> > There are also a number of more 3th party projects that send those pings.
> > Basically all projects hosted at apache-extras.org are configured to
> send a
> > ping to our list when there was a SVN commit.
> > http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/hosting/search?q=openmeetings
> >
> > It is argueable if an Apache developer list is the right place to have
> such
> > a "news aggregator" for activities around OpenMeetings.
> > There might be easy ways to resolve such a conflict. Possibly for
> example a
> > Google Group Mailing list. "openmeetings-apache-extras" or something like
> > that. It does in fact not make a difference, just another mailing list to
> > monitor :)
> > It is just a bit an imaginary line that we draw here from my point of
> view.
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2013/3/21 Jim Jagielski <jim@apache.org>
> >>
> >> IMO, it's inappropriate content for a dev@ list, which is
> >> a place to *discuss* development, not an "archive" for
> >> external development, legal issues notwithstanding.
> >>
> >> On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I would be uncomfortable as well. If project members want to follow
> >> > external projects that's great, but duplicating all of an external
> project's
> >> > messages onto the public dev@ list is... not a best practice, to say
> the
> >> > least.
> >> >
> >> > Personally, I'd have to presume (for the average user) that everything
> >> > coming from that other GPL licensed project is GPL.  Thus, this seems
> to
> >> > violate the principle of least surprise and the fact that GPL is
> Category X,
> >> > which means that end users should be able to use Apache projects and
> >> > products without having to worry that GPL code is included - either
> in the
> >> > download, or in other places on our websites or mailing lists.
> >> >
> >> > - Shane
> >> >
> >> > On 3/19/2013 6:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >> >> It's come to my attention that the openmeetings project has recently
> >> >> subscribed their dev list to the commit messages of a Google Code
> >> >> hosted
> >> >> project under the GPL. I asked why and was told " those updates are
> >> >> interesting for our integration API." There is some overlap in
> >> >> committers but the project communities do seem to be distinct other
> >> >> than
> >> >> this cross-posting of commits.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm quite uncomfortable about this as it means that GPL code is
> passing
> >> >> through our lists (and being archived) without any clear indication
> of
> >> >> its legal status. What I'm not sure about is whether my discomfort
is
> >> >> because of an irrational fear of someone inadvertently using GPL code
> >> >> without knowing it or whether that is, in fact, a rational fear.
> >> >>
> >> >> Advice please?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ross
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
> >> >>
> >> >
>
> We have had a similar discussion in the ComDev related to Apache
> Extras [1], and the consensus at that time was that external projects,
> particular the ones that are not compatible with AL2, should be
> managed separately, which means that we should not encourage PMCs to
> have their official mailing lists receiving e-mails from other
> non-Apache GPL projects. If individuals are interested on what's going
> on with external projects, they should subscribe to these projects
> mailing list as an individual.
>
>
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201209.mbox/%3CCALvzYd-h4Q%3DcTEgGqCNEEninhVose8uiGt2gTK22n9cMr_kVyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> http://twitter.com/lresende1975
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
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