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From "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <seba.wag...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Commit messages from GPL project on ASF list
Date Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:00:34 GMT
There is a flag in the mail notification to turn of diff's in those emails.
So theoretically those emails don't have to include not even code fragments
of GPL licensed code.
So those emails could become what they initially should have been: Some
simple notification of activity.

We are actually also not interested in what exactly has changed or
archiving external activities.
If anybody is interested in those projects he can catch up with those
involved there.

All we are interested is a "heads up" there is something going on as we
provide integration APIs that 3th parties are using.

There are also a number of more 3th party projects that send those pings.
Basically all projects hosted at apache-extras.org are configured to send a
ping to our list when there was a SVN commit.

It is argueable if an Apache developer list is the right place to have such
a "news aggregator" for activities around OpenMeetings.
There might be easy ways to resolve such a conflict. Possibly for example a
Google Group Mailing list. "openmeetings-apache-extras" or something like
that. It does in fact not make a difference, just another mailing list to
monitor :)
It is just a bit an imaginary line that we draw here from my point of view.


2013/3/21 Jim Jagielski <jim@apache.org>

> IMO, it's inappropriate content for a dev@ list, which is
> a place to *discuss* development, not an "archive" for
> external development, legal issues notwithstanding.
> On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> > I would be uncomfortable as well. If project members want to follow
> external projects that's great, but duplicating all of an external
> project's messages onto the public dev@ list is... not a best practice,
> to say the least.
> >
> > Personally, I'd have to presume (for the average user) that everything
> coming from that other GPL licensed project is GPL.  Thus, this seems to
> violate the principle of least surprise and the fact that GPL is Category
> X, which means that end users should be able to use Apache projects and
> products without having to worry that GPL code is included - either in the
> download, or in other places on our websites or mailing lists.
> >
> > - Shane
> >
> > On 3/19/2013 6:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >> It's come to my attention that the openmeetings project has recently
> >> subscribed their dev list to the commit messages of a Google Code hosted
> >> project under the GPL. I asked why and was told " those updates are
> >> interesting for our integration API." There is some overlap in
> >> committers but the project communities do seem to be distinct other than
> >> this cross-posting of commits.
> >>
> >> I'm quite uncomfortable about this as it means that GPL code is passing
> >> through our lists (and being archived) without any clear indication of
> >> its legal status. What I'm not sure about is whether my discomfort is
> >> because of an irrational fear of someone inadvertently using GPL code
> >> without knowing it or whether that is, in fact, a rational fear.
> >>
> >> Advice please?
> >>
> >> Ross
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
> >>
> >
> >
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Sebastian Wagner

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