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From Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <juanpablo.san...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: legal conditions regarding project website content
Date Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:51:40 GMT
Agh!!! Thought I had hit reply to all, cc'ing right now..

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:

> Note: please reply to the mailing list as well if you intend to include
> other folks - usually it's best to just reply on-list, rather than to
> individuals.  8-)
>
> For transferring the domain name, have the podling create a JIRA ticket in
> the INFRA queue with the details.  Then someone from Apache infrastructure
> can organize the domain transfer details (whatever their registrar
> requires) with the owner of the domain.
>
> Oh, and we should thank the domain owner for the donation too!
>
> - Shane
>
>
>
> On 2/16/2013 10:20 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
>
>> Hi Shane,
>>
>> some comments inline:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org
>> <mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     A separate question: what kinds of content does the project plan to
>>     host at the jspwiki.org <http://jspwiki.org> domain name?  While
>>
>>     we're certainly happy if the domain name owner has chosen to donate
>>     it to the ASF, any official Apache project homepage must be at
>>     $projectname.apache.org <http://projectname.apache.org**>
>>
>>     http://www.apache.org/__**foundation/marks/pmcs.html#__**websites<http://www.apache.org/__foundation/marks/pmcs.html#__websites>
>>
>>     <http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/pmcs.html#**websites<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#websites>
>> >
>>
>>
>> yes, absolutely. The idea is to move three wikis in there (www.j.o,
>> sandbox.j.o and doc.j.o) to apache infra, making www.jspwiki.org
>> <http://www.jspwiki.org> redirect to the project homepage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     It would be fine to host additional content, or content focused at
>>     wikis or past releases in general at jspwiki.org
>>     <http://jspwiki.org> - but when Apache JSPWiki goes to a TLP, it's
>>     homepage needs to be at jspwiki.apache.org <http://jspwiki.apache.org
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     As an unofficial aside, one issue is the principle of least
>>     surprise. All software products released from the ASF are available
>>     under the Apache license, unless clearly and specifically listed in
>>     a NOTICE or other file.  So while various bits of jspwiki.org
>>     <http://jspwiki.org> may have been available publicly in the past,
>>
>>     that doesn't meant that they're necessarily available under the
>>     Apache license or a directly compatible one.
>>
>>
>> That's our main concern. From a legal point of view, both sanbox and doc
>> could be safely transferred, as the first one wipes out all the content
>> every day, and the second one holds the official documentation, which is
>> copyrighted under the Creative Commons BY-3.0 License.
>>
>> The problem lies with the www site: creative commons wasn't invented
>> when jspwiki.org <http://jspwiki.org> started and, as noted here,
>>
>> "Copyright © 2009 individual contributors" isn't a valid copyright
>> notice. There's a lot of information in there and it would be a pity if
>> we wouldn't be able to migrate it, due to some sort of grayish area.
>>
>>
>> thanks for your time,
>> juan pablo
>>
>> oh! not directly related, but more thing: Janne Jalkannen (PMC, creator
>> of JSPWiki and owner of www.jspwiki.org <http://www.jspwiki.org>), is
>>
>> willing to transfer the domain to the ASF [#1]. Which are the required
>> steps to handle over the domain?
>>
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     - Shane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [#1]: he has stated that a lot of times, being the last one
>> http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/incubator-**
>> jspwiki-dev/201302.mbox/%**3CA2027CFC-9849-4640-9BFE-**
>> 1051E7935B53@ecyrd.com%3E<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201302.mbox/%3CA2027CFC-9849-4640-9BFE-1051E7935B53@ecyrd.com%3E>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 2/10/2013 3:46 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
>>
>>         Hi legal (retaking an old thread..),
>>
>>         as part of a somewhat near release we're looking forward to host
>>         www.jspwiki.org <http://www.jspwiki.org>
>>         <http://www.jspwiki.org> inside apache infra [cfr. #1].
>>
>>         However, some legal concerns, noted at [#2], have been raised,
>>         so we're
>>         also considering to just begin with empty content
>>
>>         Below this e-mail is the last recommendation from legal (in [#3]
>> the
>>         beginning of the thread).
>>
>>         The situation is that there is some "uncopyrighted", or
>>         not-so-clearly
>>         copyrighted, content and we're unsure if can host it under
>>         apache infra.
>>         Would it be enough to add the suggested copyright notice in this
>>         thread
>>         ("Unless otherwise noted, contributions to this wiki", etc.) to
>>         perform
>>         the content migration?
>>
>>         The content to be migrated has always been publicly available
>>         through
>>         www.jspwiki.org <http://www.jspwiki.org>
>>         <http://www.jspwiki.org>, so it seems pretty unlikely to
>>
>>         me that we're going to have any legal issues because of this,
>>         ever. Of
>>         course given the case, we would retire the offending content, but
>> my
>>         point is that this content was meant and has been publicly
>> available
>>         from day zero..
>>
>>         thoughts?
>>
>>
>>         TIA!
>>
>>         [#1]: http://s.apache.org/YFA
>>         [#2]: http://s.apache.org/Gto
>>         [#3]: http://s.apache.org/Asl
>>
>>         On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Roy T. Fielding
>>         <fielding@gbiv.com <mailto:fielding@gbiv.com>
>>         <mailto:fielding@gbiv.com <mailto:fielding@gbiv.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>              On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Florian Holeczek wrote:
>>
>>               > Hi all,
>>               >
>>               > in the meantime, I've found the following at
>>         http://wiki.openoffice.org/__**wiki/OpenOffice.org_Wiki:__**
>> Copyrights<http://wiki.openoffice.org/__wiki/OpenOffice.org_Wiki:__Copyrights>
>>
>>         <http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/OpenOffice.org_Wiki:**
>> Copyrights<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Wiki:Copyrights>>
>> ,
>>              which is hosted inside the ASF infrastructure.
>>               >
>>               > ---
>>               > Portions of the OpenOffice.org Wiki are Copyright 1999,
>>         2010 by
>>              contributing authors and Oracle and/or its affiliates.
>>               > Sections or single pages of this wiki are covered by
>> certain
>>              licenses. If a license notice is displayed at a given wiki
>>         page, you
>>              may use the content of that page according to that license.
>>               > In all other cases, the page is licensed under the Apache
>>              License, Version 2.0 (ALv2).
>>               > In posting a new contribution, you are licensing that
>>              contribution under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (ALv2).
>>               > ---
>>               >
>>               > That sounds like a good way. So, I'll reword my original
>>         question
>>              a bit:
>>               >
>>               > Does anyone on this list see a problem with migrating
>>         the wiki
>>              content of www.jspwiki.org <http://www.jspwiki.org>
>>         <http://www.jspwiki.org> to the ASF
>>
>>              infrastructure while adding the following copyright notice?
>>               >
>>               > ---
>>               > Portions of this wiki are Copyright <OLDEST CONTRIBUTION
>>         DATE
>>              GOES HERE> - 2012 by individual contributors.
>>               > Sections or single pages of this wiki may be covered by
>>         certain
>>              licenses. If a license notice is displayed at a given wiki
>>         page, you
>>              may use the content of that page according to that license.
>>               > In all other cases, the page is licensed under the Apache
>>              License, Version 2.0 (ALv2).
>>               > In posting a new contribution, you are licensing that
>>              contribution under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (ALv2).
>>               > ---
>>
>>              IANAL, but I do not believe that
>>
>>                 Copyright © 2009 individual contributors.
>>
>>              is a valid copyright notice, nor do I see any reason to
>>         continue
>>              suggesting that it is.  The OpenOffice.org one is a
>>         reference to
>>              the joint copyright assignment, IIRC.
>>
>>              In other words, you can just say
>>
>>                 Unless otherwise noted, contributions to this wiki are
>>         licensed
>>                 to the Apache Software Foundation as contributions under
>> the
>>                 Apache License, version 2.0.
>>
>>              ....Roy
>>
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