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From "Marvin Humphrey (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-155) Please help us educate projects about LICENSE and NOTICE
Date Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:46:12 GMT

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Marvin Humphrey commented on LEGAL-155:
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To sum up:

*   Benson objects to including documentation for binaries.
*   Sebb objects to omitting documentation for binaries.

This is unhelpful.

I have gone ahead and purged the document of all references to binary
distributions:

    http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/branches/license_howto/licensing_howto.mdtext?r1=1433190&r2=1433217

This ought to remove all the passages that Benson felt necessitated policy
clarifications from ASF Legal.

In my view, this change inflicts mild harm to the utility of the document, for
reasons articulated by Sebb.  However, my first priority is to avoid getting
pulled down into the tarpit of this annoying tangential dispute.

I believe that the document as it exists now -- minus the controversial
passages -- is still sufficiently useful that it should be published.  People
can refight this skirmish in the neverending spat over binaries later to
decide whether the passages should be restored.
                
> Please help us educate projects about LICENSE and NOTICE
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-155
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-155
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Task
>            Reporter: Benson Margulies
>
> Dear Legal,
> The incubator continues to struggle to educate projects in the proper construction and
maintenance of LICENSE and NOTICE files. INCUBATOR-125 is an attempt to write some documentation.
This document suffers from its authors' inability to even find a single point of reference
on the ASF website for theory of these files. 
> Since podlings are unusual only in their need to set up initial versions, it seems to
me that most of this documentation should be produced and maintained at the foundation level,
and the incubator should be pointing to it, instead of maintain detailed alternatives with
risk of divergence.
> If there is existing documentation, please comment and point me to it. If there is not,
can we collaborate to write it?
> In this area, I have a particular curiosity and concern about convenience binaries.
> A typical Apache project has very limited needs for complexity in these files for its
*releases*. Only sources with external provenance (e.g., results of an SGA) or bundled dependencies
trigger it. Far more dependencies get bundled in convenience binaries. But convenience binaries
are, merely, conveniences, not legally, releases from the foundation. I've never seen any
discussion of this; does the foundation's liability umbrella even extend over them? I doubt
it, for all the usual reasons given in emphasizing that the real release is the source release.
So I wonder about what policies or guidelines should exist for their legal boilerplate.

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