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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:10:38 +0000
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Subject: Re: short file short notices
From: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
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On 1 November 2012 02:26, Craig L Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On Oct 31, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
>
>> Craig Russell wrote:
>>>
>>> For many years, Apache have not put copyright notices into each file.
>>
>>
>> So what?
>>
>> I answered the question as I believe it should be answered. I don't give
>> much credit to past Apache practices in this regard. Of course, I stand
>> ready to be corrected by an actual attorney or by anyone who can point to
>> an
>> authority other than some Apache FAQ.
>>
>> If there is an Apache *policy* not to include copyright notices, I'd
>> appreciate hearing a justification for that other than merely "I don't
>> wanna...."
>
>
> We don't copyright each file. We copyright the work as a whole (is this the
> right legal term?) and require the copyright notice appear in the LICENSE

Surely LICENSE should be NOTICE  ?

> file at or near the top of the distribution.
>
> IANAL but welcome your response.
>
> Craig
>
> P.S. Did you read http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html ??? Really?
>
>>
>>
>> /Larry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Craig L Russell [mailto:craig.russell@oracle.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:59 PM
>> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
>> Cc: lrosen@rosenlaw.com
>> Subject: Re: short file short notices
>>
>> Dear Larry,
>>
>> Please.
>>
>> Please.
>>
>> Please.
>>
>> Read this: http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html
>>
>> For many years, Apache have not put copyright notices into each file.
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
>>
>>> Someone quoted:
>>>>
>>>> (Personally, I don't see why Craig's short header[1] stating simply
>>>> "Licensed under the terms of
>>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0" does not suffice for
>>>> everything we do.  But IANAL, etc...)
>>>
>>>
>>> Suffice for what purpose? No notices are *required* to comply with
>>> copyright or licensing law, but for the purpose of notifying
>>> recipients of the origin and availability of a file, I suggest the
>>> following two-line minimum notice:
>>>
>>>    Copyright (C) 2012 The Apache Software Foundation.
>>>    Licensed under the terms of the
>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
>>> .
>>>
>>> Even that, though, is merely a nice-to-have, and so we shouldn't care
>>> that it is moved in some cases to the bottom rather than the top of a
>>> file. Or even omitted entirely for files shorter than 2 lines. :-)
>>>
>>> /Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargulies@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:48 AM
>>> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: short file short notices
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Marvin Humphrey
>>> <marvin@rectangular.com
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>> <craig.russell@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, there are quite a bit of how-to files that will need to
>>>>> change, and I think it would be good if there were a policy that
>>>>> justifies it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, we run the risk of getting some bit wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm +1 to make the change.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If we finally get a "short header" approved, will that render this
>>>> "license footer" proposal obsolete?  It seems sub-optimal to update
>>>> those how-to files once, then update them again.
>>>>
>>>> (Personally, I don't see why Craig's short header[1] stating simply
>>>> "Licensed under the terms of
>>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0" does not suffice for
>>>> everything we do.  But IANAL, etc...)
>>>
>>>
>>> As I understand how things happen in the legal arena around here ...
>>>
>>> To get a short header policy approved, someone has to say, "Here is my
>>> practical problem on my TLP that would be solved by short headers (and
>>> is not solved by the rules that exclude some things from copyright
>>> altogether)". Any number of us who think it would be a good thing in
>>> theory, but who don't represent an actual practical problem, won't cut
>>> it.
>>>
>>> So, the question is, do any of the authors of these JIRA fill the
>>> bill?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marvin Humphrey
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://s.apache.org/WHK (link to comment on legal JIRA-124)
>>>>
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>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
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> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
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