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From Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: short file short notices
Date Thu, 01 Nov 2012 01:46:45 GMT
Only one problem. Virtually nothing is 'Copyright Apache Software
Foundation'. We don't ask people for copyright assignment.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
>> Could we also not have the Year if possible?
>
> When you publish with a copyright notice, insert the current year as the
> "year of first publication". As an example of legal foolishness, a copyright
> notice isn't required, but if you have one the format is generally
> prescribed by copyright law. See 17 USC ยง401.
>
> /Larry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Crossley [mailto:crossley@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:26 PM
> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
> Subject: Re: short file short notices
>
> Lawrence Rosen wrote:
>> Someone quoted:
>> >
>> > (Personally, I don't see why Craig's short header[1] stating simply
>> > "Licensed under the terms of
>> > http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0" does not suffice for
>> > everything we do.  But IANAL, etc...)
>>
>> Suffice for what purpose? No notices are *required* to comply with
> copyright or licensing law, but for the purpose of notifying recipients of
> the origin and availability of a file, I suggest the following two-line
> minimum notice:
>>
>>      Copyright (C) 2012 The Apache Software Foundation.
>>      Licensed under the terms of the
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.
>>
>> Even that, though, is merely a nice-to-have, and so we shouldn't care
>> that it is moved in some cases to the bottom rather than the top of a
>> file. Or even omitted entirely for files shorter than 2 lines. :-)
>
> Thanks for the clear and complete answer Larry.
> Please remove the fly-speck at the end of the URL.
> Could we also not have the Year if possible?
>
> -David
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargulies@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:48 AM
>> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
>> Subject: Re: short file short notices
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Craig L Russell
>> > <craig.russell@oracle.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, there are quite a bit of how-to files that will need to
>> >> change, and I think it would be good if there were a policy that
> justifies it.
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise, we run the risk of getting some bit wrong.
>> >>
>> >> I'm +1 to make the change.
>> >
>> > If we finally get a "short header" approved, will that render this
>> > "license footer" proposal obsolete?  It seems sub-optimal to update
>> > those how-to files once, then update them again.
>> >
>> > (Personally, I don't see why Craig's short header[1] stating simply
>> > "Licensed under the terms of
>> > http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0" does not suffice for
>> > everything we do.  But IANAL, etc...)
>>
>> As I understand how things happen in the legal arena around here ...
>>
>> To get a short header policy approved, someone has to say, "Here is my
> practical problem on my TLP that would be solved by short headers (and is
> not solved by the rules that exclude some things from copyright
> altogether)". Any number of us who think it would be a good thing in theory,
> but who don't represent an actual practical problem, won't cut it.
>>
>> So, the question is, do any of the authors of these JIRA fill the bill?
>>
>> >
>> > Marvin Humphrey
>> >
>> > [1] http://s.apache.org/WHK (link to comment on legal JIRA-124)
>
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