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From: Craig L Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7
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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:10:09 -0700
Cc: "'Michael Stahl'" <mst@openoffice.org>

Hi Dennis,

On Aug 13, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I don't think you should be removing any copyright notices.  Maybe  
> the author can do that, but it depends on what the files are derived  
> from and whether they are *solely* that author's original work.   
> [There is some guidance here, although it is easy to wonder if one  
> is sitting on an edge case: <http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html 
> >.]
>
> What other provisions are stated on the files in addition to the  
> copyright notice?  Is there a license statement of any kind?
>
> [It may be inappropriate for TDF to remove those copyright notices  
> too, but that's not something we need to address here.]
>
> - Dennis
>
> PS: to legal-discuss@ - I was the one who requested that Michael's  
> questions come here.  We are a new podling and we are not practiced  
> in the kind of diligence that applies on this matter.  For example,  
> I doubt that any of us would have thought to ask the questions that  
> have been raised here, plus the new questions the answers attract.

It is entirely appropriate to discuss this topic on legal-discuss. It  
has benefits for your project as well as others. It made me think.  
Good all around.

I hope my previous comments did not discourage you from posting here  
in future.

Thanks,

Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Stahl [mailto:mst@openoffice.org]
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 03:37
> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7
>
> On 13.08.2011 00:28, Craig L Russell wrote:
>> Normally, paragraph 7 is used to allow commits of code from
>> non-committer contributors such as patch writers, before they become
>> committers on projects.
>>
>> It's not normally used for bulk submissions of code.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> the author sent me a private mail with the files where he wrote that
> "you can do anything with it under any license." (meaning me
> personally); because i specifically asked about getting it into
> ApacheOOo, that ought to be covered.
>
> the boilerplate in the files actually looks like a copy/paste error
> because it actually is the standard OpenOffice.org license header with
> "Copyright 2000, 2011 Oracle", which needs replacing anyway because  
> the
> author never assigned his copyright to Oracle; have to talk to him
> about that.
> (the files were likely created from templates that for some reason  
> have
> not been updated with the LibreOffice license boilerplate.)
>
> [ ... ]
>
>
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Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
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