Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 196C27773 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 90228 invoked by uid 500); 29 Jul 2011 00:18:25 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 89836 invoked by uid 500); 29 Jul 2011 00:18:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 89829 invoked by uid 99); 29 Jul 2011 00:18:24 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:18:24 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of ralph.goers@dslextreme.com designates 209.85.210.53 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.210.53] (HELO mail-pz0-f53.google.com) (209.85.210.53) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:18:15 +0000 Received: by pzk6 with SMTP id 6so7006792pzk.40 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.36.168 with SMTP id r8mr1114317pbj.321.1311898673518; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.11.142.227] (otwbsc01.oceanic.net [205.172.16.102]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z6sm1499990pbc.78.2011.07.28.17.17.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ralph Goers Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-731504826 Subject: Re: IP Clearance Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:17:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <314DD6CC-79A3-4F82-9DBD-C569A23A45E9@gbiv.com> To: legal-discuss@apache.org References: <1311878349.84406.YahooMailClassic@web27805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <314DD6CC-79A3-4F82-9DBD-C569A23A45E9@gbiv.com> Message-Id: <5726FFFA-D43B-45BB-AF43-8B4684759748@dslextreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-5-731504826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK. This is obviously a statement on policy, not legality, which is = fine. However, I'd like to understand the rationale for the policy a = bit better rather than just accepting a blanket statement. Are their = some consequences I'm not thinking about or aware of in using code we = are legally entitled to? Is it just a matter of preserving goodwill? =20= Again, I'm simply trying to reconcile this policy with the fact that we = won't give software grants to anyone because we tell them the Apache = license is all they need. I've actually had this question for quite a = while as I've looked at some of the things that are listed as being = donated at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html and in = several cases I don't understand what extra value the grant provides = over the software license. Ralph On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > At Apache, all contributions are voluntary. We do not accept code > from copyright owners who don't want us to have it, even if we have > the legal right to adopt it for other reasons. >=20 > ....Roy >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org >=20 --Apple-Mail-5-731504826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii OK. =  This is obviously a statement on policy, not legality, which is = fine.  However, I'd like to understand the rationale for the policy = a bit better rather than just accepting a blanket statement.  Are = their some consequences I'm not thinking about or aware of in using code = we are legally entitled to?  Is it just a matter of preserving = goodwill?  

Again, I'm simply trying to = reconcile this policy with the fact that we won't give software grants = to anyone because we tell them the Apache license is all they need. =  I've actually had this question for quite a while as I've looked = at some of the things that are listed as being donated at http://incuba= tor.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html and in several cases I = don't understand what extra value the grant provides over the software = license.

Ralph


O= n Jul 28, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

At = Apache, all contributions are voluntary.  We do not accept = code
from copyright owners who don't want us to have it, even if we = have
the legal right to adopt it for other = reasons.

....Roy

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