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From "Roy T. Fielding" <field...@gbiv.com>
Subject Re: OpenOffice.org branding
Date Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:51:01 GMT
On Jul 27, 2011, at 3:59 AM, Graham Lauder wrote:

> On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 13:53 -0700, Ted Dunning wrote:
>> As I mentioned in separate email, there isn't an Apache Tribal Nation.
>> There is a Navajo nation, but the rest of the southern Athabascans
>> known as Apaches are divided into many tribes.
> Indeed, that was obvious from the research I did, however the same is
> true of Maori and amongst them, there are different dialects and
> traditions.  I have been trying to get a Maori Native Language Project
> going for OOo for a number of years, but the differences have prevented
> getting a single translation sorted.  However when something affects
> Maori as a whole there is very strong unity in protecting those things
> they see as being representative of their cultural identity and they
> have used IP law effectively in this.  
>> What you are saying is akin to talking about Spanish-speaking South
>> America or German-speaking Europe as a country.  They just aren't.
>> And the Apache Nation isn't.
> Then that is to our advantage, though I have noted some combined
> activism on some fronts, and some groups that represent themselves as
> "Apache Tribal Nation", let's hope my wariness is unjustified.

Hi Graham,

I am Maori (Raukawa / Ngati Huri), so I am aware of your concerns.
Sorry I can't help with a translation -- I was raised in California.

We were also fully aware of those concerns when we chose the name Apache
back in 1995.

Please understand that "Apache" is the Navajo word for "enemy".  It is not
the name that the various Indé tribes that the US Government called Apache
use to refer to themselves other than in a historical sense, nor is such a
name considered "intellectual property" just because it is associated by
one group of people with some other group of people.

Of course, none of that will stop some loonies from claiming they have
the right to represent "Apache".  It simply isn't a legal or moral concern
in the US, since we have always used the name with respect and the folks
who actually do represent the native american tribes know their real names.

BTW, my personal preference is to call our product Apache OOo and leave the
OpenOffice.org website as a joint forum and redistribution site for all
variations of the suite, docs, tutorials, etc.  However, such decisions
are typically made by the people doing the work.


....Roy T. Fielding, Director, The Apache Software Foundation
    (fielding@apache.org)  <http://www.apache.org/>
    (fielding@gbiv.com)    <http://roy.gbiv.com/>

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