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From Tom Hobbs <tvho...@googlemail.com>
Subject Fwd: Foundations of Jini 2 Programming
Date Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:12:59 GMT
Sorry, I'm reposting this to a more appropriate legal-list.



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tom Hobbs <tvhobbs@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:40 AM
Subject: Fwd: Foundations of Jini 2 Programming
To: legal-internal@apache.org
Cc: private <private@river.apache.org>

Hi all,

The River project needs some advice about wanting to host a Creative
Commons version of some documentation.

To cut a long story short, before Sun Microsystems donated the Jini
code to ASF (and thus birthing the Apache River project) a chap called
Jan Newmarch wrote a book about Jini.  This book is available for free
on the internet under the CC license, it's also published in non-free
dead-tree format via APress.

As you can see from the email chain below, Jan has kindly agreed to
let the River project host his original (electronic) version of his
book on river.a.o - assuming we keep the correct attributions,
copyright headers etc.  The project fully intends to bring this book
up to date in respects to referencing River (as the successor to the
Jini *implementation*) and also with new functionality, build
instructions, and other things.

So my question is, how do we go about this?  I'm assuming that the
hosting the electonic copy is easy to do - we just update our website
and there it is.  Things get more interesting if/when we talk about
asking APress to publish a new version.  Note, that will be in the
distant, but hopefully still visible, future.

It's probably worth mentioning that the included email chain contains
everything that has been done so-far in relation to this
documentation.  So if something is impossible/improbable to do from a
legal standpoint, I just have to send an email back to Jan saying
"Thanks very much, but we're not allowed."  Or words to that effect.

What I know about licenses, copyrights etc can be written in very
large letters on a very small piece of paper, so any help/advice will
be very gratefully received.

My apologies if this is the wrong list, can someone point me to the
correct list if it is, please?

Many thanks,


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jan Newmarch <jan@newmarch.name>
Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Foundations of Jini 2 Programming
To: Tom Hobbs <tvhobbs@googlemail.com>
Cc: private <private@river.apache.org>, Jan Newmarch <jan@newmarch.name>

Hi Tom

The last version I created is at
This is later than the version you found, and does not have
inappropriate copyright notices.

The CC license that I used allowed anyone to make electronic copies,
change it, etc, but not make printed copies for sale. That was reserved
for APress. But I am not a copyright lawyer either, so it would be worth
checking with your legal team.

About formats: I prepared everything in XML, using a bastardised version
of Docbook. The program files were kept separate so I could compile, run
them, etc. I then had Perl scripts to convert the XML to HTML and suck
in the Java code. This could be done on the fly as a browser requested
them, or as a batch job (which is what you see on the given site). If
you substitute .xml for each .html you can see the original XML.

Obviously, the HTML will be easier to copy (wget or similar). But I can
also bundle up the Java programs, Ant scripts and XML if that helps.



On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 19:54 +0100, Tom Hobbs wrote:
> Hi Jan,
> Peter Firmstone forwarded to the Apache River PMC an email from you
> about your Jini book.
> Firstly, many thanks for offer to allow us contribute to it.  I think
> that it is definitely something the project would like to do.  As I'm
> sure you're aware, good Jini documentation can be really hard to find.
> With that in mind, I was wondering if you had a 'vanilla' copy you
> could send us so that we can host if on the Apache River site.  At the
> moment, the only version we can find is here [1] which they've put
> their own copyright notices on.
> Of course, we'll keep your own notices, comply with the CC license and
> make sure you get the correct credit for the work.  I've got no idea
> how APress work so I'd have to ask the ASF legal team.  I imagine that
> a new published version is a long way away though.
> I'm a bit of a numpty when incomes to licenses and legal issues, so
> hope that this request is appropriate.
> Naturally, if ever you want to get involved with Jini/River again
> you're always welcome on the lists.
> Cheers,
> Tom
> [1] http://www.javacommerce.com/displaypage.jsp?name=jini.sql&id=18224

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