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Subject: Re: Building ASL code requiring LGPL 3rd party
From: Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
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Right.  I saw the optional at runtime but missed the required at build.  =
Indeed, that is not specifically covered.  I have mixed feelings about =
this, and while I wouldn't go so far as to say it is verboten I would =
say that a) it is highly discouraged and b) it probably could be =
refactored so that the build dependency could be eliminated as well - =
which probably has the same effect as saying it isn't allowed.


On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Greg Stein wrote:

> "JTS becomes required to build & test Lucene/Solr"
>=20
> I don't see how that fits under the "optional" terms. My read is that
> a *required* LGPL library is verboten.
>=20
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 22:23, Ralph Goers =
<ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> What you are describing sounds exactly like what =
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#optional was intended to =
answer.  You timing is pretty good since that issue was resolved and =
added to the page roughly a week ago.
>>=20
>> Ralph
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Mar 29, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Smiley, David W. wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hello.
>>>=20
>>> I've been involved with Lucene & Solr for some time.  I'm working on =
enhancing its support for geospatial search. I have java code in a patch =
in JIRA SOLR-2155 but I'm seeking that it get committed.  The patch uses =
the LGPL licensed Java Topology Suite (JTS) library for part of its =
functionality.  That part is segmented in the code such that if JTS is =
not included with Lucene/Solr at runtime then Lucene/Solr will still =
work, and even the rest of my patch that doesn't use it.  I modified =
Lucene/Solr's ant based build script to automatically downloads the JTS =
jar so that Lucene/Solr with my patch will compile and tests will run.  =
This is triggered by default in the build  -- i.e. JTS becomes required =
to build & test Lucene/Solr.  The patch *does not* cause JTS to be =
included in any packaged deliverable of Lucene/Solr.
>>>=20
>>> Will the inclusion of my patch as I described in Lucene/Solr violate =
the terms of applicable licensed software, namely Apache & LGPL?  This =
is the key question I wish to get adjudicated by authorities at the ASF. =
 I've read these sources already, carefully:
>>>       http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>>>       =
http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#transition-examples-lgpl
>>>       =
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/200801.mbox/%3C=
768dcb2e0801240130v604f0088w5781db2d889f5581@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>=20
>>> These references are not 100% clear on this matter, but in my =
opinion I get the sense that my approach is satisfactory.  But IANAL =
(I'm sure that comes up often on this list!), and uncertainly amongst at =
least two others on the Lucene/Solr list remains.  I wish to get this =
settled.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks.
>>>=20
>>> ~ David Smiley
>>> =
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