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From Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
Subject Re: Can a podling release code that has a BSD license before it has a grant?
Date Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:52:10 GMT
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
> I posed this question somewhat hypothetically to learn whether this
> was a space that could be explored if the pod-people wanted to. As it
> turns out, the pod-people in question aren't so inclined at this
> point.

Frankly, that's the best possible outcome. :-)

- Sam Ruby

> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Andy Seaborne
> <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com> wrote:
>> (a Jena committer and the release manager last time round writes ...)
>>
>> The incubating project has recently completed a non-Apache release. This
>> gives the project space to complete the main software grant and that is
>> progressing at it's own natural pace.
>>
>> If something does arise, we can bring a specific proposal forward.
>> Currently, there are no plans or discussions on the project lists that would
>> need that.
>>
>>        Andy
>>
>> On 18/01/11 23:08, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>
>>> On 18/01/2011 22:55, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Benson
>>>> Margulies<bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Jena podling starts from a mass of code developed at HP. The
>>>>> source is all marked with the notice below.
>>>>>
>>>>> A 'big company legal process' is underway, and will hopefully emit an
>>>>> SGA from HP some day.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the interim, it occurred to me to wonder if the podling needs to
>>>>> wait. They don't want to move into asf svn until they can make an asf
>>>>> release, and, unless I get a pleasant surprise in reply to this, they
>>>>> can't make an asf release until there is a grant from HP.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 'previously asked' list calls out BSD 'without advertising
>>>>> clause', but doesn't further discuss the advertising clause. The
>>>>> archives make it tangentially clear that its generally not acceptable,
>>>>> but I didn't find the rationale. Do we just not want to have to
>>>>> clutter the NOTICES with the passthrough of 'you can't advertise the
>>>>> HP origin'?
>>>>>
>>>>> So, are there any options except to wait for the HP process to reach
a
>>>>> successful conclusion?
>>>>
>>>> I'll note that this is a policy question (what do we want to do) vs a
>>>> question as to whether it would be illegal for us to make such a
>>>> release. This means that there /may/ be some wiggle room for a very
>>>> narrowly crafted and scoped exemption. If this is something you wish
>>>> to pursue, I would recommend creating a concrete proposal focusing
>>>> only on solving the problems that are needed to make this happen and
>>>> not solving any larger problem.
>>>
>>> As champion of the Jena podling I am not in support of this. Things are
>>> progressing just fine on the legal front, there is no reason to suspect
>>> the issues won't be resolved in reasonable time.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, there are many more things that need to be done before
>>> there is an ASF release.
>>>
>>> There is no need for us to create more hoops for the podling to jump
>>> through at this stage (not to mention the demands on the legal team to
>>> approve such action).
>>>
>>> It's good to know that there is wiggle room should there ever be a need
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ross
>>
>> (a Jena committer writes ...)
>>
>> Jena has recently completed a non-Apache release.  If all goes to plan,
>> that's the last one and it means the the project has the space to complete
>> the main software grant.  Work on the grant is progressing at it's own
>> natural pace.
>>
>> If something does arise, we can bring a specific proposal forward.
>> Currently, there are no plans or discussions on the project lists that would
>> need that.
>>
>>        Andy
>>
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