----- Original Message ----
> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
> Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 11:21:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Fair-use data in svn
>
> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The SpamAsssassin stuff lives in a virtual host provided
> > by Apache. That is how I would go about acquiring the
> > copyrighted content without redistributing it to anyone
> > other than those with an account on the virtual host.
> >
>
> How do we decide who gets an account?
By applying common sense.
>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
> >> Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 11:13:39 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Fair-use data in svn
> >>
> >> Larry,
> >>
> >> Before I type anything else, I'd better say, "Thank you, I now
> >> appreciate that 'fair use' has nothing much to do with the practical
> >> matter at hand."
> >>
> >> The process of building NLP models has three parts: first, collect a
> >> corpus. Second, annotate it. Third, build a model.
> >>
> >> My original query here concerns the ability of the ASF to host the
> >> first part -- in the case where the desired corpus is made up of
> >> copyrighted materials for which no special permissions have been
> >> obtained. What I think I've learned from this discussion is that the
> >> usual ASF practice -- all 'source' materials are in the source tree,
> >> available to anyone -- is essentially a publication that is likely to
> >> infringe on copyright.
> >>
> >> So, unless the ASF is willing to sanction an alternative process to
> >> checking everything into the public source tree, ASF projects can't do
> >> this entire process. Not because the models, as per your most recent
> >> message, themselves can infringe, but because the publication of the
> >> source materials would. I did want to double-check my belief that a
> >> model derived from text was not, on its face, a derived work that
> >> could infringe -- before I bothered anyone any further about this.
> >>
> >> So, in my mind, this brings us to the question of how the ASF could
> >> serve as a collection point for copyrighted corpora. The answer might
> >> be, "It can't." Dan Kulp raised what to me is the obvious alternative:
> >> some storage accessible to committers but not the general public.
> >> Since this is the legal-discuss list, it strikes me as sensible for
> >> this discussion to discover those strategies that are *legally*
> >> reasonable (if any), and leave it to, well, the board, to decide if
> >> any of those are tolerable from the standpoint of the Foundation's
> >> goals. So, if I use a spider to grab a large amount of copyrighted
> >> material, how narrowly do I have to control its distribution to avoid
> >> infringement? The spamassasin example seems apposite, and I wish that
> >> Daryl would give more details about where the ham is kept and who has
> >> access to it, and what legal determination went into setting up the
> >> whole business.
> >>
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