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From "Lawrence Rosen" <lro...@rosenlaw.com>
Subject RE: Fair-use data in svn
Date Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:47:35 GMT
Benson, how about copying materials that are explicitly marked "Creative Commons"? There must
be enough of that stuff on the web to collect into a test case.

/Larry




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargulies@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
> Subject: Re: Fair-use data in svn
> 
> > There is no exception in copyright infringement law that allows you
> to copy other people's copyrighted materials and distribute them on an
> Apache website, no matter how upstanding the goals, without a license.
> Ask permission first.
> 
> It won't be on an apache web site. It will be in a zip file in svn,
> read by (for example) a unit test. That seems a relevant distinction
> to me, but YAAL, not me.
> 
> >
> > If you intend to rely on a fair use defense, don't count on it
> without analyzing the fair use factors carefully. I'll work with you on
> that analysis if you can't find a better alternative for generating
> test data.
> >
> > If these really are "miscellaneous" web pages, why can't you create a
> test consisting of links to the actual pages? Must you copy the pages
> themselves?
> 
> You can't make a repeatable process that depends on ephemeral content
> -- and this content is always ephemeral -- sitting there when you want
> it.
> 
> 
> > /Larry
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargulies@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:07 AM
> >> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
> >> Subject: Fair-use data in svn
> >>
> >> I write code in some areas where 'real world' textual data is fuel.
> >> It's test cases. It's training corpora. It cannot be replaced by
> >> constructed, test-tube, text that could be created under the AL or
> >> some other 'class A' license.
> >>
> >> I'd like to contribute some of that data here at ASF. In some cases,
> >> that would require checking in test case data that consists of (for
> >> example) miscellaneous web pages grabbed with wget. In other cases,
> it
> >> might consist of larger collections of text derived from such pages.
> >>
> >> I would like to discover that this is acceptable, perhaps with some
> >> caveats and requirements for NOTICE.
> >>
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