Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 21889 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2009 18:10:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Dec 2009 18:10:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 44632 invoked by uid 500); 17 Dec 2009 18:10:11 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 44368 invoked by uid 500); 17 Dec 2009 18:10:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 44352 invoked by uid 99); 17 Dec 2009 18:10:10 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:10:10 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of gkbrown@mac.com designates 17.148.16.105 as permitted sender) Received: from [17.148.16.105] (HELO asmtpout030.mac.com) (17.148.16.105) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:10:06 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Nrxm0nEQQOsA0dlFLb0bRw)" Received: from greg.home ([173.76.179.124]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KUT0069N6G7ZO80@asmtp030.mac.com>; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:09:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: ASF Board Meeting Summary - December 16, 2009 From: Greg Brown In-reply-to: <168ef9ac0912170907j436de95k92bea1158df0d141@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:09:43 -0500 Cc: trademarks@apache.org Message-id: References: <6CDDC1C5-1C5D-423E-BE4C-BF467FC8EF43@mac.com> <6cca3db30912170731p52ac480fq22f1df92fe2e977f@mail.gmail.com> <168ef9ac0912170751i48d922d7r2a1cfc925df8e126@mail.gmail.com> <6cca3db30912170811w64a7d633gf28cfe34eceb2428@mail.gmail.com> <168ef9ac0912170907j436de95k92bea1158df0d141@mail.gmail.com> To: legal-discuss@apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) --Boundary_(ID_Nrxm0nEQQOsA0dlFLb0bRw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT FWIW, all of our public communications introduce the project as "Apache Pivot" but often later use the shortened "Pivot" form to avoid unnecessary verbosity. Not sure if this is relevant, but I thought I would mention it. On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Todd Volkert wrote: > > Tho has it been using "Pivot" or "Apache Pivot"? And how long has msft > been using their "Pivot" (unregistered) mark? > > It's been "Apache Pivot". As far as I can tell, Microsoft only publicly announced their Pivot project in late November '09. > > Forgive my ignorance, but what's the process towards getting this resolved? It stands to reason that we shouldn't migrate our infrastructure and such until we make sure that we're ok to keep the name "Apache Pivot", but how is that determination made? > > -T --Boundary_(ID_Nrxm0nEQQOsA0dlFLb0bRw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT FWIW, all of our public communications introduce the project as "Apache Pivot" but often later use the shortened "Pivot" form to avoid unnecessary verbosity. Not sure if this is relevant, but I thought I would mention it.

On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Todd Volkert wrote:


Tho has it been using "Pivot" or "Apache Pivot"? And how long has msft
been using their "Pivot" (unregistered) mark?

It's been "Apache Pivot".  As far as I can tell, Microsoft only publicly announced their Pivot project in late November '09.

Forgive my ignorance, but what's the process towards getting this resolved?  It stands to reason that we shouldn't migrate our infrastructure and such until we make sure that we're ok to keep the name "Apache Pivot", but how is that determination made?

-T

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