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From Greg Brown <gkbr...@mac.com>
Subject Re: ASF Board Meeting Summary - December 16, 2009
Date Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:24:03 GMT
In all seriousness, what, if anything, should we be doing about this? Do we need to change
the project name? Are there other options? This is obviously a big deal for us because any
re-branding is going to take time and is likely to hold up any announcements about our recent
graduation.

Greg


On Dec 17, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote:

> I prefer to be thought of as having a delightful sense of humor. Even cranky
> people can be subtly funny. :-)
> 
> /Larry
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Miller [mailto:markrmiller@apache.org]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:09 AM
>> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
>> Subject: Re: ASF Board Meeting Summary - December 16, 2009
>> 
>> Apache's TM attorney is either ridiculously cranky or has a delightful
>> sense of humor. I'm not sure which myself.
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
>> Todd Volkert wrote:
>>> Didn't mean to offend, Larry - just trying to figure this situation
>> out.
>>> 
>>> -T
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com
>>> <mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    WTF?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    ASF already has a trademark attorney. Me. Please tell your
>>>    trademark lawyer friend to mind his own business. Say it
>>>    politely. I'm sure his opinion wasn't meant to contradict
>>>    mine-but it does.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    Did you or he write that absurd opinion on an Apple (TM)
>>>    computer. Using Windows (TM)?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    /Larry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    *From:* Todd Volkert [mailto:tvolkert@gmail.com
>>>    <mailto:tvolkert@gmail.com>]
>>>    *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:50 AM
>>> 
>>>    *To:* legal-discuss@apache.org <mailto:legal-discuss@apache.org>
>>>    *Cc:* trademarks@apache.org <mailto:trademarks@apache.org>
>>>    *Subject:* Re: ASF Board Meeting Summary - December 16, 2009
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    Just talked to a trademark lawyer friend of mine, and he
>>>    emphasized that you can't trademark a common word in the English
>>>    language (like "Pivot") - you can trademark a sequence of words,
>>>    like "Microsoft Pivot", a graphic, a jingle, etc.  So what
>>>    exactly did MS trademark -- "Microsoft Pivot"?  If so, then I'd
>>>    think we're in the clear to use "Apache Pivot"...
>>> 
>>>    -T
>>> 
>>>    On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Greg Brown <gkbrown@mac.com
>>>    <mailto:gkbrown@mac.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    FWIW, all of our public communications introduce the project as
>>>    "Apache Pivot" but often later use the shortened "Pivot" form to
>>>    avoid unnecessary verbosity. Not sure if this is relevant, but I
>>>    thought I would mention it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Todd Volkert wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>        Tho has it been using "Pivot" or "Apache Pivot"? And how
>>>        long has msft
>>>        been using their "Pivot" (unregistered) mark?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    It's been "Apache Pivot".  As far as I can tell, Microsoft only
>>>    publicly announced their Pivot project in late November '09.
>>> 
>>>    Forgive my ignorance, but what's the process towards getting
>>>    this resolved?  It stands to reason that we shouldn't migrate
>>>    our infrastructure and such until we make sure that we're ok to
>>>    keep the name "Apache Pivot", but how is that determination made?
>>> 
>>>    -T
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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