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From Todd Volkert <tvolk...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: ASF Board Meeting Summary - December 16, 2009
Date Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:05:02 GMT
Didn't mean to offend, Larry - just trying to figure this situation out.

-T

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> wrote:

>  WTF?
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> ASF already has a trademark attorney. Me. Please tell your trademark lawyer
> friend to mind his own business. Say it politely. I'm sure his opinion
> wasn't meant to contradict mineā€”but it does.
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> Did you or he write that absurd opinion on an Apple (TM) computer. Using
> Windows (TM)?
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> /Larry
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> *From:* Todd Volkert [mailto:tvolkert@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:50 AM
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> *To:* legal-discuss@apache.org
> *Cc:* trademarks@apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: ASF Board Meeting Summary - December 16, 2009
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> Just talked to a trademark lawyer friend of mine, and he emphasized that
> you can't trademark a common word in the English language (like "Pivot") -
> you can trademark a sequence of words, like "Microsoft Pivot", a graphic, a
> jingle, etc.  So what exactly did MS trademark -- "Microsoft Pivot"?  If so,
> then I'd think we're in the clear to use "Apache Pivot"...
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> -T
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> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Greg Brown <gkbrown@mac.com> wrote:
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> FWIW, all of our public communications introduce the project as "Apache
> Pivot" but often later use the shortened "Pivot" form to avoid unnecessary
> verbosity. Not sure if this is relevant, but I thought I would mention it.
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> On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Todd Volkert wrote:
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> Tho has it been using "Pivot" or "Apache Pivot"? And how long has msft
> been using their "Pivot" (unregistered) mark?
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> It's been "Apache Pivot".  As far as I can tell, Microsoft only publicly
> announced their Pivot project in late November '09.
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> Forgive my ignorance, but what's the process towards getting this
> resolved?  It stands to reason that we shouldn't migrate our infrastructure
> and such until we make sure that we're ok to keep the name "Apache Pivot",
> but how is that determination made?
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> -T
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