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From "Lawrence Rosen" <lro...@rosenlaw.com>
Subject RE: ASF Board Meeting Summary - December 16, 2009
Date Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:15:58 GMT
I prefer to be thought of as having a delightful sense of humor. Even cranky
people can be subtly funny. :-)

/Larry




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Miller [mailto:markrmiller@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:09 AM
> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
> Subject: Re: ASF Board Meeting Summary - December 16, 2009
> 
> Apache's TM attorney is either ridiculously cranky or has a delightful
> sense of humor. I'm not sure which myself.
> 
> - Mark
> 
> Todd Volkert wrote:
> > Didn't mean to offend, Larry - just trying to figure this situation
> out.
> >
> > -T
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> > <mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     WTF?
> >
> >
> >
> >     ASF already has a trademark attorney. Me. Please tell your
> >     trademark lawyer friend to mind his own business. Say it
> >     politely. I'm sure his opinion wasn't meant to contradict
> >     mine-but it does.
> >
> >
> >
> >     Did you or he write that absurd opinion on an Apple (TM)
> >     computer. Using Windows (TM)?
> >
> >
> >
> >     /Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     *From:* Todd Volkert [mailto:tvolkert@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:tvolkert@gmail.com>]
> >     *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:50 AM
> >
> >     *To:* legal-discuss@apache.org <mailto:legal-discuss@apache.org>
> >     *Cc:* trademarks@apache.org <mailto:trademarks@apache.org>
> >     *Subject:* Re: ASF Board Meeting Summary - December 16, 2009
> >
> >
> >
> >     Just talked to a trademark lawyer friend of mine, and he
> >     emphasized that you can't trademark a common word in the English
> >     language (like "Pivot") - you can trademark a sequence of words,
> >     like "Microsoft Pivot", a graphic, a jingle, etc.  So what
> >     exactly did MS trademark -- "Microsoft Pivot"?  If so, then I'd
> >     think we're in the clear to use "Apache Pivot"...
> >
> >     -T
> >
> >     On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Greg Brown <gkbrown@mac.com
> >     <mailto:gkbrown@mac.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     FWIW, all of our public communications introduce the project as
> >     "Apache Pivot" but often later use the shortened "Pivot" form to
> >     avoid unnecessary verbosity. Not sure if this is relevant, but I
> >     thought I would mention it.
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Todd Volkert wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         Tho has it been using "Pivot" or "Apache Pivot"? And how
> >         long has msft
> >         been using their "Pivot" (unregistered) mark?
> >
> >
> >     It's been "Apache Pivot".  As far as I can tell, Microsoft only
> >     publicly announced their Pivot project in late November '09.
> >
> >     Forgive my ignorance, but what's the process towards getting
> >     this resolved?  It stands to reason that we shouldn't migrate
> >     our infrastructure and such until we make sure that we're ok to
> >     keep the name "Apache Pivot", but how is that determination made?
> >
> >     -T
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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