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From Ate Douma <...@douma.nu>
Subject Re: WSRP4J
Date Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:27:24 GMT
Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ate Douma<ate@douma.nu> wrote:
>> Sam Ruby wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Ate Douma<ate@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>> Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 18, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Stefan Hepper <sthepper@apache.org>
>>>>>>> Date: May 14, 2007 9:55:16 PM PDT
>>>>>>> Note that the patent issues holding up currently WSRP V2.0 do
not
>>>>>>> apply
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> V1.0 that WSRP4J currently implements. The issue is that WebCollage
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> given out their patent for V1.0, but was not part of V2.0 and
has
>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>> not extended their grants to V2.0.
>>>> I think Stefan Hepper really meant to say that at that time (2007) there
>>>> was
>>>> patent issue holding up WSRP 2.0 spec itself because WebCollage, claiming
>>>> a
>>>> patent on WSRP 1.0 which extends on the WSRP 2.0 spec as well, did not
>>>> (at
>>>> that time) extend their grant to V2.0.
>>>> I Assume they resolved that in the end for V2.0, however the the OASIS
>>>> WSRP
>>>> IPR page, http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/wsrp/ipr.php, only
>>>> mentions
>>>> patent claims for the V1.0 spec.
>>>> AINAL I don't really know how to "read" such claims with respect to
>>>> automatic extendability, but as WSRP V2.0 builds upon WSRP 1.0, I assume
>>>>  the same patent claims apply for both.
>>> That same page says:
>>>
>>> "WebCollage will ... provide ... a ... royalty-free patent license"
>>>
>>> What's the isssue?
>> Sam,
>>
>> The issue has been discussed already a year ago on legal-interal@ in which
>> you also participated...
> 
> I'm not questioning that.
> 
>> The situation is stalled since then where the last concrete suggestion given
>> required involvement of a lawyer, which hasn't happened yet.
> 
> I need somebody to refresh my memory on what that concrete suggestion
> was.  Offlist is fine.  I'm on IRC and IM if that helps (see
> members.txt for contact info).

I've send you that suggestion and related information in a private email.

Thanks for chiming in,

Ate

> 
>> To be honest, we (Portals PMC) also let it slip (again) since then, but we
>> still would like this issue to be resolved.
>> That's why I asked in the latest WSRP4J incubator report for further legal
>> assistance.
> 
> What, specifically, are you looking for.  I see that you believe that
> WebCollage has provided terms that weren't considered reasonable.  Can
> you point me (possibly again, and if so, I'm sorry) to those terms?
> 
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ate
> 
> - Sam Ruby
> 
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