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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: Recently checked in Windows code
Date Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:36:40 GMT
yah - the article that code is a companion to is dated 2003 (in the  
HTML META), so that must be before they switched.

geir

On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:24 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:

> That's good to know.
>
> http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/articles/treetable1/src/TreeTableModel.java
> still says designed, licensed etc. Presumably because it's old legacy
> noise.
>
> I'll try to keep a better eye out for designed vs licensed when I see
> this type of thing crop up in the future.
>
> Hen
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr.<geir@pobox.com>  
> wrote:
>> If I remember right, the nuke clause was changed (in part from our  
>> pushback
>> and general ridicule).
>>
>> It went from not being *licensed* for use in "nukular" facilities,  
>> to there
>> being a statement that it wasn't "designed" for use in such things,  
>> which
>> IMO removed the FOU restriction and still apparently lets Sun's  
>> lawyers
>> sleep well at night knowing that you were on full notice that Sun  
>> engineer's
>> didn't design GUI code with nuclear facilities in mind.
>>
>> geir
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:39 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Henri Yandell<hyandell@gmail.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Santiago Gala<santiago.gala@gmail.com

>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (removed qpid as we drift off-topic for them)
>>>>>
>>>>> El sáb, 06-06-2009 a las 02:27 -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr.  
>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Henri Yandell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Need to find a good way to add the stupid 'no nuclear  
>>>>>>> facilities'
>>>>>>> license clause too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh?  Oh - nuclear facilities, not nuclear clauses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Java used to have this clause which forbid its use for air traffic
>>>>> control or operation of nuclear power plants, I don't think they  
>>>>> are
>>>>> using it any more, and I was not aware of any other use of this  
>>>>> clause.
>>>>> Are there examples of these clauses "in the wild" anymore?
>>>>
>>>> The air traffic bit was dropped at some point I think, but I  
>>>> still see
>>>> the nuclear bit pop up. While Sun had lots of noise of moving to  
>>>> CDDL
>>>> and then to CDDL/GPL; they often still release binaries from that
>>>> source under whatever pieced together terms their lawyers have  
>>>> come up
>>>> with. Generally looking like the BCL license mixed with spec  
>>>> license
>>>> pieces.
>>>>
>>>> There is also a BSD-like license from Sun that adds the nuclear
>>>> facility clause. I've seen that attached to sample code from Sun.
>>>
>>> Apologies for replying to myself.
>>>
>>> I mailed about Checkstyle a while back, that it contained Sun
>>> proprietary code. Discussion with the author of Checkstyle and
>>> investigation of Sun's site showed that it was from sample Swing  
>>> code
>>> back in 2001-ish, which has subsequently been relicensed with no  
>>> code
>>> change under BSD _with_ the nuclear facility clause. So Checkstyle's
>>> GUI has a field of use restriction. As Checkstyle doesn't ship a
>>> separate cmd line/lib jar from the gui jar, this means anyone
>>> redistributing Checkstyle has that.
>>>
>>> I'm not bothered in that worrying about a nuclear facility field of
>>> use restriction on a source code checker is a joke.
>>>
>>> Hen
>>>
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