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From Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
Subject Re: CLA vs Grant
Date Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:55:55 GMT
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/04/2009, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote:
>>  > On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Henri Yandell <bayard@apache.org>
wrote:
>>  >>>
>>  >>> If someone has a signed CLA on file (but is not a committer), does
>>  >>> that make it unnecessary to file a software grant for each large
>>  >>> contribution?
>>  >>>
>>  >>> I think it does, but want to get consensus.
>>  >>
>>  >> IMO, it's not required, but I believe they should still file a grant
>>  >> for large independent software chunks which were not developed at ASF.
>>  >>  I like belt and suspenders.  =P  -- justin
>>  >
>>  > That doesn't actually help us.  An argument can be made that if we
>>  > require both than we must have some belief that the one is not
>>  > sufficient, which can then be used against us if there is only a CLA.
>>  >
>>  > We don't need both so we don't require both.  We aren't going to
>>  > complain if we receive both, but we don't require both.
>>
>>
>> If there is a large contribution (and, no, I don't have a precise
>>  definition for "large"), I would prefer to see our IP clearance rules
>>  followed:
>>
>>
>>  http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html
>>
>>
>> Two concrete cases just for illustration purposes: if it turns out
>>  that the code was developed all by a single individual and is "clean",
>>  then I see no need for an additional grant.  If, however, there is any
>>  question as to whether a person's employer may have the right to make
>>  a claim of ownership against such software, I would encourage that
>>  author to work this out with their employer, possibly resulting in a
>>  grant.
>
> And/or a CCLA. But AIUI the CCLA is for the benefit of the committer,
> not the ASF.

+1, though we too benefit from CCLA's, in the cases where such is necessary.

>>  > ....Roy
>>
>>
>>  - Sam Ruby
>>
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