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From "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: How do things get resolved
Date Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:32:49 GMT
Because I like to get my bruises in matched sets, I've gone ahead and
posted up a JIRA. I view this as walking through the entire process,
so please don't  be too annoyed at me for sticking bananas in my ears
and not hearing the answer as already presented.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I was referring to the fact that when we saw these license terms
> originally, we did not even bother to bring it here.
>
> thanks,
> dims
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:14 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
> <wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> I'm sorry to be a bit dense. Should I go ahead and open a JIRA to get
>>> an up-or-down resolution on just checking it where I can check it in,
>>> or does your proposal for a Coventry in svn take precedence?
>>
>> I'm sorry, I had no clue whatsoever that you were waiting on an answer,
>> it was pretty clear from the attached note that the discussion was over.
>>
>> I'm not sure if Davanum was just being cute, but if the peanut gallery
>> confuses a technical-legal thread with conclusive statements, this is
>> what we can expect to have happen.
>>
>> You have an https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/{tlp}/ tree to store
>> any such artifacts.  I hope that's conclusive enough.  Because it is a
>> PMC private area, with the appropriate notice you do not need to cause
>> the repository to be physically write-protected.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Davanum Srinivas" <davanum@gmail.com>
>> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
>> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:37:57 -0500
>> Subject: Re: w3c license versus svn
>> No wonder we didn't check it in :)
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:09 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
>> <wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>>> Here are the two major issues I see...
>>>
>>> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>> May I check in tests distributed with the following notice into subversion?
>>>>
>>>> The entire contents of this directory and all its sub-directories are
>>>>           ***Copyright (C) World Wide Web Consortium 2006, 2007***
>>>>
>>>> They are made available under the terms of the
>>>>  W3C DOCUMENT NOTICE AND LICENSE,
>>>> available online at
>>>> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/copyright-documents-19990405.html
>>>
>>> You'll never be able to check in any other content into that directory or
>>> it's subdirectories, they would have to be the literal files from the W3C
>>> or that copyright statement would be invalid.  But you have no permission
>>> to modify that copyright statement to make it valid, so ASF files cannot
>>> coexist in that directory.  Digging into the license language...
>>>
>>>  Permission to use, copy, and distribute the contents of this document, or
>>>  the W3C document from which this statement is linked, in any medium for
>>>  any purpose and without fee or royalty is hereby granted, provided that
>>>  you include the following on ALL copies of the document, or portions
>>>  thereof, that you use:
>>>
>>>    1. A link or URL to the original W3C document.
>>>    2. The pre-existing copyright notice of the original author, or if it
>>>       doesn't exist, a notice of the form: "Copyright (c) [$date-of-document]
>>>       World Wide Web Consortium, (Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
>>>       Institut National de Recherche en Informatique et en Automatique,
>>>       Keio University). All Rights Reserved.
>>>       http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/" (Hypertext is preferred, but a
>>>       textual representation is permitted.)
>>>
>>> Not unreasonble... with one caviat further below.
>>>
>>>    3. If it exists, the STATUS of the W3C document.
>>>
>>> Does this mean the STATUS for the snapshot?  If so, this doesn't look like
>>> a hardship.  If it means this must be frequently refreshed, that seems like
>>> an unreasonable demand.  [Future-present requirements on the licensor].
>>>
>>>  No right to create modifications or derivatives of W3C documents is
>>>  granted pursuant to this license. However, if additional requirements
>>>  (documented in the Copyright FAQ) are satisfied, the right to create
>>>  modifications or derivatives is sometimes granted by the W3C to
>>>  individuals complying with those requirements.
>>>
>>> This absolutely violates the spirit of the AL.  Not sure of our position,
>>> but it stinks of falling into Category X licensing, especially since that
>>> restriction is not prominently carried on the source files.
>>>
>>> And you don't even have the right to modify the files in order to make this
>>> additional restriction perfectly clear.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
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>
>
>
> --
> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>
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