Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 4458 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2008 13:54:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 13:54:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 88228 invoked by uid 500); 14 Sep 2008 13:54:52 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 88042 invoked by uid 500); 14 Sep 2008 13:54:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 88033 invoked by uid 99); 14 Sep 2008 13:54:51 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:54:51 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of lovesummerf@gmail.com designates 209.85.142.189 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.142.189] (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.189) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:53:54 +0000 Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w7so995630tib.13 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:54:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=N3f0gTLsLdShBhY9LvfOHb89AI9sivN8Es48vWDsqmA=; b=dXhMbT/HHiflRE4nomqtpOkD5f9JT9ACQo+XMq5GadouAoGaUswelrK0PjuI1Ybikf LRyCLovyHrHH+iSC+MHM4uzGMXsJyPoyld2aVS+oRb89KIRXycUnBmVWZ3eBPIC05tEL CfET0l+LfyXxr7xQQmCmw6abivtCvtcBpaiDQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rH6G9o3jICAMIzYaI6fsgcE4KGfuqWPFzPzTq6wzS3HW0ci7B3vDwV3jlmqxb+NsNr DnQZevaIhlvd0a+6zY+UNOL870ceGY/P4hMiW9IXr6V8KqUEdI08I3fM8AnyOUFH5EEB Q+tVc95XTT8oiL0taTj0Rc+DGRog8JRd45AXE= Received: by 10.110.39.20 with SMTP id m20mr8428919tim.41.1221400464829; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.90.4 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ec21e960809140654l56c1b9e7rf2f80f666d73710d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:54:24 +0800 From: "Samul Kevin" To: legal-discuss@apache.org Subject: Re: can stlport be used in the project under ASL In-Reply-To: <3d4032300809100611x467baf37k13d92bc3743c62b0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_156823_32112576.1221400464769" References: <6ec21e960809091732n5ea99d03p3fd14b3b2636633f@mail.gmail.com> <4585c4a60809091807w793d0854lef844e87d6132f60@mail.gmail.com> <48C7258B.2080703@dslextreme.com> <6ec21e960809092055m1e9cfce2tcbfde1ad66d11c88@mail.gmail.com> <48C752E6.1020407@dslextreme.com> <3d4032300809100400m4dd531c6gad34cd89ccb26c2@mail.gmail.com> <6ec21e960809100510q7bbc2489ne2f9f719eb602d78@mail.gmail.com> <3d4032300809100611x467baf37k13d92bc3743c62b0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_Part_156823_32112576.1221400464769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline it's been more than 60 hours,does this means we are Ok to use sltport? 2008/9/10 Sam Ruby > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Samul Kevin > wrote: > > So the conclusion is OK or should we discuss more or Do you need me to > > supply more infomation about our project? > > This has been on the list for just over 12 hours. Let's give it > another 60 or so hours to see if anybody spots something I may have > missed. > > - Sam Ruby > > > Thks > > > > 2008/9/10 Sam Ruby > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Ralph Goers > >> wrote: > >> > I'm expressing a personal opinion that you shouldn't have a problem > >> > using > >> > stlport. However, I'm not on the legal committee, so my opinion is > just > >> > as > >> > good as yours. I expect Sam or someone else will chime in soon and > tell > >> > you > >> > the same thing. > >> > >> I don't see any obvious problems, and I do think that the question > >> that Garrett Rooney asked previously is an excellent one. In most > >> cases, there is no problem with calling standard interfaces provided > >> by runtime library implementations that ship with compilers, where > >> those implementations are not shipped in source form with our > >> products, but derived results may be included in our binaries. > >> > >> That's not because there can't be a problem (in the 80's, for example, > >> IBM sold licenses to use their C++ runtime for OS/2), but because most > >> compilers these days provide freely redistributable runtimes that do > >> not affect the licensing of our source. > >> > >> - Sam Ruby > >> > >> > Ralph > >> > > >> > Samul Kevin wrote: > >> >> > >> >> do you mean stlport is "clearly" compatiable or "may" be used in our > >> >> project? When i saw through the stlport license it seemed to me it's > >> >> totally > >> >> ok to use. > >> >> > >> >> 2008/9/10 Ralph Goers >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I'd be very surprised if anyone here has a problem with the > >> >> stlport license. The license looks to me like it meets the 3 > >> >> criteria listed for being "Apache friendly". > >> >> > >> >> Ralph > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Garrett Rooney wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Samul Kevin > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> hi,our project is incubatoring in Apache > >> >> community: > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/bluesky.html > >> >> however,the c++ library which we use in current project > >> >> collide with > >> >> ASL,thus we have to replace the library so that we can > >> >> commit source code to > >> >> SVN repository.Someone suggested that we could use STLPORT > >> >> instead of the > >> >> previous c++ library.But we don't clear whether the > >> >> stlport license could be > >> >> compatiable with ASL.People in our mailing list > >> >> bluesky-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> >> told us to > >> >> consult on this leagal > >> >> discussion mailing list.'Cause Apache community decides if > >> >> a project is ok > >> >> in using tools with other license. > >> >> here is the homepage of > >> >> stlport:http://stlport.sourceforge.net/Home.shtml > >> >> and the license of stlport : > >> >> http://stlport.sourceforge.net/License.shtml > >> >> > >> >> if there is anything that i don't make myself clear ,do > >> >> bring it > >> >> on.Appreciate your helps! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Umm, I don't know anything about the STLPort license, but > >> >> stepping > >> >> back a bit, what C++ standard library are you currently using > >> >> that you > >> >> think is incompatible with the Apache License? It seems like > an > >> >> awfully strange piece of software to be trying to replace. It > >> >> would > >> >> be shocking to me if you couldn't use pretty much whatever C++ > >> >> standard library you wanted. I mean it's not like we keep > >> >> people from > >> >> using various different C standard libraries, be they > >> >> proprietary, > >> >> GPLed, etc. > >> >> > >> >> -garrett > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and > >> >> educational > >> >> only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not > >> >> constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the > >> >> opinions > >> >> and policies of the ASF. 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it's been more than 60 hours,does this means we are Ok to use sltport?

2008/9/10 Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Samul Kevin <lovesummerf@gmail.com> wrote:
> So the conclusion is OK or should we discuss more or Do you need me to
> supply more infomation about our project?

This has been on the list for just over 12 hours.  Let's give it
another 60 or so hours to see if anybody spots something I may have
missed.

- Sam Ruby

> Thks
>
> 2008/9/10 Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Ralph Goers
>> <Ralph.Goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> > I'm expressing a personal opinion that you shouldn't have a problem
>> > using
>> > stlport. However, I'm not on the legal committee, so my opinion is just
>> > as
>> > good as yours. I expect Sam or someone else will chime in soon and tell
>> > you
>> > the same thing.
>>
>> I don't see any obvious problems, and I do think that the question
>> that Garrett Rooney asked previously is an excellent one.  In most
>> cases, there is no problem with calling standard interfaces provided
>> by runtime library implementations that ship with compilers, where
>> those implementations are not shipped in source form with our
>> products, but derived results may be included in our binaries.
>>
>> That's not because there can't be a problem (in the 80's, for example,
>> IBM sold licenses to use their C++ runtime for OS/2), but because most
>> compilers these days provide freely redistributable runtimes that do
>> not affect the licensing of our source.
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>
>> > Ralph
>> >
>> > Samul Kevin wrote:
>> >>
>> >> do you mean stlport is "clearly" compatiable or "may" be used in our
>> >> project? When i saw through the stlport license it seemed to me it's
>> >> totally
>> >> ok to use.
>> >>
>> >> 2008/9/10 Ralph Goers <Ralph.Goers@dslextreme.com
>> >> <mailto:Ralph.Goers@dslextreme.com>>
>> >>
>> >>    I'd be very surprised if anyone here has a problem with the
>> >>    stlport license. The license looks to me like it meets the 3
>> >>    criteria listed for being "Apache friendly".
>> >>
>> >>    Ralph
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>    Garrett Rooney wrote:
>> >>
>> >>        On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Samul Kevin
>> >>        <lovesummerf@gmail.com <mailto:lovesummerf@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>            hi,our project is incubatoring in Apache
>> >>            community:http://incubator.apache.org/projects/bluesky.html
>> >>            however,the c++ library which we use in current project
>> >>            collide with
>> >>            ASL,thus we have to replace the library so that we can
>> >>            commit source code to
>> >>            SVN repository.Someone suggested that we could use STLPORT
>> >>            instead of the
>> >>            previous c++ library.But we don't clear whether the
>> >>            stlport license could be
>> >>            compatiable with ASL.People in our mailing list
>> >>            bluesky-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >>            <mailto:bluesky-dev@incubator.apache.org> told us to
>> >>            consult on this leagal
>> >>            discussion mailing list.'Cause Apache community decides if
>> >>            a project is ok
>> >>            in using tools with other license.
>> >>            here is the homepage of
>> >>            stlport:http://stlport.sourceforge.net/Home.shtml
>> >>            and the license of stlport :
>> >>            http://stlport.sourceforge.net/License.shtml
>> >>
>> >>            if there is anything that i don't make myself clear ,do
>> >>            bring it
>> >>            on.Appreciate your helps!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>        Umm, I don't know anything about the STLPort license, but
>> >> stepping
>> >>        back a bit, what C++ standard library are you currently using
>> >>        that you
>> >>        think is incompatible with the Apache License?  It seems like an
>> >>        awfully strange piece of software to be trying to replace.  It
>> >>        would
>> >>        be shocking to me if you couldn't use pretty much whatever C++
>> >>        standard library you wanted.  I mean it's not like we keep
>> >>        people from
>> >>        using various different C standard libraries, be they
>> >> proprietary,
>> >>        GPLed, etc.
>> >>
>> >>        -garrett
>> >>
>> >>
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