Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 28831 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2008 11:01:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 11:01:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 35857 invoked by uid 500); 10 Sep 2008 11:01:35 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 35655 invoked by uid 500); 10 Sep 2008 11:01:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 35646 invoked by uid 99); 10 Sep 2008 11:01:34 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:01:34 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of sa3ruby@gmail.com designates 64.233.170.187 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.170.187] (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.187) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:00:36 +0000 Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id v72so922919rnb.6 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:00:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=mUrmr2uvSqihrisNUr3yRxEnicQcxIotheOuzAFB27g=; b=DTvf/L1zDWDrQv/0hPv/pOgOrut+Oam9YhaRlP9eDng2UX9dn9VpCwZRxntHHLz3Kj IrxzC8wDZeI+wYz4NkmFxgqNws+dQT0uwSt0z+Lcil2ja9zKy0kiXrwjFdfUWXCp5ugt xYaunpH6IAOn99Rs4uV37vmlCN3lMZ7M3toRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=plHvqkSo5ThF577bSpPcJWVhf3z1TPIwWjUh/MiF0psONGvUXt8vWACIQ4toffi17B dDvkaDWjkwjMsNVFnPf0k+/cSf4/B5ncRAAHEMYxnyf4AWJ+zV7/jOPKPsoaymH6l22w TcakAmlqPDr8ZcpgOWI7aIuzkYkToX2jQ01Zg= Received: by 10.142.166.1 with SMTP id o1mr357572wfe.345.1221044449830; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.155.1 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3d4032300809100400m4dd531c6gad34cd89ccb26c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:00:49 -0400 From: "Sam Ruby" Sender: sa3ruby@gmail.com To: legal-discuss@apache.org, rgoers@apache.org Subject: Re: can stlport be used in the project under ASL In-Reply-To: <48C752E6.1020407@dslextreme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ec21e960809091732n5ea99d03p3fd14b3b2636633f@mail.gmail.com> <4585c4a60809091807w793d0854lef844e87d6132f60@mail.gmail.com> <48C7258B.2080703@dslextreme.com> <6ec21e960809092055m1e9cfce2tcbfde1ad66d11c88@mail.gmail.com> <48C752E6.1020407@dslextreme.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a712415b2798c26 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > I'm expressing a personal opinion that you shouldn't have a problem using > stlport. However, I'm not on the legal committee, so my opinion is just as > good as yours. I expect Sam or someone else will chime in soon and tell you > the same thing. I don't see any obvious problems, and I do think that the question that Garrett Rooney asked previously is an excellent one. In most cases, there is no problem with calling standard interfaces provided by runtime library implementations that ship with compilers, where those implementations are not shipped in source form with our products, but derived results may be included in our binaries. That's not because there can't be a problem (in the 80's, for example, IBM sold licenses to use their C++ runtime for OS/2), but because most compilers these days provide freely redistributable runtimes that do not affect the licensing of our source. - Sam Ruby > Ralph > > Samul Kevin wrote: >> >> do you mean stlport is "clearly" compatiable or "may" be used in our >> project? When i saw through the stlport license it seemed to me it's totally >> ok to use. >> >> 2008/9/10 Ralph Goers > > >> >> I'd be very surprised if anyone here has a problem with the >> stlport license. The license looks to me like it meets the 3 >> criteria listed for being "Apache friendly". >> >> Ralph >> >> >> Garrett Rooney wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Samul Kevin >> > wrote: >> >> hi,our project is incubatoring in Apache >> community:http://incubator.apache.org/projects/bluesky.html >> however,the c++ library which we use in current project >> collide with >> ASL,thus we have to replace the library so that we can >> commit source code to >> SVN repository.Someone suggested that we could use STLPORT >> instead of the >> previous c++ library.But we don't clear whether the >> stlport license could be >> compatiable with ASL.People in our mailing list >> bluesky-dev@incubator.apache.org >> told us to >> consult on this leagal >> discussion mailing list.'Cause Apache community decides if >> a project is ok >> in using tools with other license. >> here is the homepage of >> stlport:http://stlport.sourceforge.net/Home.shtml >> and the license of stlport : >> http://stlport.sourceforge.net/License.shtml >> >> if there is anything that i don't make myself clear ,do >> bring it >> on.Appreciate your helps! >> >> >> Umm, I don't know anything about the STLPort license, but stepping >> back a bit, what C++ standard library are you currently using >> that you >> think is incompatible with the Apache License? It seems like an >> awfully strange piece of software to be trying to replace. It >> would >> be shocking to me if you couldn't use pretty much whatever C++ >> standard library you wanted. I mean it's not like we keep >> people from >> using various different C standard libraries, be they proprietary, >> GPLed, etc. >> >> -garrett >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and >> educational >> only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not >> constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the >> opinions >> and policies of the ASF. 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See for >> official ASF policies and documents. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bowen Ma a.k.a Samul Kevin @ Bluesky Dev Team XJTU > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational > only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not > constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions > and policies of the ASF. 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